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Robert Lustig makes the point in this podcast with Huberman that the sugars and transfats in processed food are responsible for a lot of inflammation that comes

by vonnik 3y ago

Robert Lustig makes the point in this podcast with Huberman that the sugars and transfats in processed food are responsible for a lot of inflammation that comes from the modern diet. https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/huberman-lab/id1545953110?i=1000638917560 https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/huberman-lab/id1545953... ~51st minute

beebmam 3y ago
What evidence does he present for this claim?
- hombre_fatal 3y ago
  Here's Layne Norton's response to Lustig and that exact Huberman episode: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZPKTaVB1IU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZPKTaVB1IU It'll answer your question.
  - Etheryte 3y ago
    Surely you can provide a better summary than just linking to a video that's an hour long. No one is gonna watch all that on your "trust me bro".
    - SketchySeaBeast 3y ago
      > No one is gonna watch all that on your "trust me bro". I see you've never met the UFO/UAP community.
  - sideshowb 3y ago
    Are these people unable to write?
    - phatfish 3y ago
      You don't "go viral" writing something.
      - sideshowb 3y ago
        I guess on the plus side the medium acts as a good bs filter.
        justnotworthit 3y ago
        Writing or video production?
    - ovi256 3y ago
      [dead]
  - lustig_reader 3y ago
    I find Layne unconvincing, and in fact many of his links in the supposed debunking do not speak to the point: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-hnlCHsVjiLH6aQoj4gU-j7niNYMvxHLOMg1JzDarFw/edit https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-hnlCHsVjiLH6aQoj4gU-j7n... He's a poor debater in that video, and he's begging the question in many cases. He actually agrees with Lustig that highly processed food is addictive (he gives different reasons), but he pretends to disagree (go virality!). He's inventing strawmen in order to have something to argue with. They are actually making the same prescription but for different reasons: eat less processed food and reduce caloric intake if you want to lose weight. He agrees that fruit is harder to consume, and is therefore a better vehicle to consume fructose if one is trying to limit caloric intake. There are lots of papers https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0149763421002761 https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S01497...
- lustig_reader 3y ago
  Here's Lustig's argument, lightly paraphrased: The intestine is made of intestinal epithelial cells, bound together by proteins to form a barrier. That class of proteins is called tight-junction proteins (eg zonulin). Fructose nitrates those proteins, causing them to be transiently permeable, allowing some of the sewage in your intestine to enter your bloodstream, leading to leaky gut. Leaky gut leads to inflammation of the liver, which leads to systemic inflammation. A biomarker of that inflammatory immune response is creactive protein (CRP). Lustic says 93% of Americans have leaky gut. Transcript for reference: https://www.happyscribe.com/public/huberman-lab/dr-82a32683-6a8a-4dcd-a3f7-799d997675aa https://www.happyscribe.com/public/huberman-lab/dr-82a32683-...
paul7986 3y ago
For myself i have mild kidney disease .. diagnosed at 40 with 55% kidney function out of 100 but with diet change (3 liters of water daily, only eat chicken, rice, salads, no greasy or fast foods, popcorn... things that do not have preservatives in it, avoid taking all/any medications & exercise daily) i now maintain a function of 80 to 85% out of 100. In my experience what you put in your body matters 100%. I do miss the damaging foods i use to eat growing up but it's either contiune eating bad and meet your decline quicker or change your lifestyle to continue enjoying a 100% full life for years to come.
- henry2023 3y ago
  I’m in a very similar condition. Who helped you set your dietary goals? Do you have some specific resources?
  - paul7986 3y ago
    My kidney doc says i was born with small kidneys and that might be why i have mild CKD and or i took a medication that damaged my kidneys. Initially in 2019 she didnt advocate for changing diet .. seemed on the fence but to me it makes perfect sense what you put in your body matters a 100%. I read stuff on the Internet that day she diagnosed me and went to the store. Threw away all foods in my house that had preservatives and started to read labels at the store finding foods made with simple to a few natural ingredients. I increased my daily water intake to almost nothing to 3 liters a day, stopped eating all beef, pork and only eat grilled chicken, fruits, salads, rice, almond milk, breads (grains), avoid fried foods, cut down on dairy, do some type of exercise & or go to the gym daily (though ive always done that but stopped lifting heavy weights .. lots of cardio (running, swimming, lite weights) as kidney cant break down creatine as it use to when you lifted weights) and as mentioned i do my best to avoid taking all/any medications. It took 4 to 6 months for my function to rise from 55 to around 70 and in the coming years i got and maintained it from 75 to 85. I go for monthly to bi-monthly renal lab testing to ensure it's all good. I also strive to eat 1500 to 2000 calories a day (5'10 173 pounds). Unfortunately recently i decided to take a high dose of doxyclcyine (throughout past few years ive taken two smaller/longer doses of it without issue for flu) and it brought my function down :-( Working hard now to get it back. This is my journey .. i am not a doctor but from my experience and doctor worth their salt they should be advocating revolutionizing your diet ... some will say that's how it goes get ready to go on dialysis in a few years or so. Those doctors need to be ignored and find one who believes in nutrition and see how revolutionizing your diet most likely will heal your kidney some or by a lot too. **I eat out a lot throughout each week ... chic fil a (grilled nuggets, fruit cup, salad, water or unsweet tea & lemonade), Cava (chicken & rice bowls), Chipolte (chicken and rice bowls), Panera (Apple fuji salad or half of one of their chicken sandwiches.. sometimes do eat turkey) or at home cook spaghetti, air fried chicken tenders, pasta and still eat sweets but i calorie count daily and weigh myself daily too. Ha too most i sound obsessed but i am obsessed about my health and ive seen / see results from being such!

by vonnik 3y ago

beebmam 3y ago

What evidence does he present for this claim?

hombre_fatal 3y ago
Here's Layne Norton's response to Lustig and that exact Huberman episode: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZPKTaVB1IU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZPKTaVB1IU It'll answer your question.
- Etheryte 3y ago
  Surely you can provide a better summary than just linking to a video that's an hour long. No one is gonna watch all that on your "trust me bro".
  - SketchySeaBeast 3y ago
    > No one is gonna watch all that on your "trust me bro". I see you've never met the UFO/UAP community.
- sideshowb 3y ago
  Are these people unable to write?
  - phatfish 3y ago
    You don't "go viral" writing something.
    - sideshowb 3y ago
      I guess on the plus side the medium acts as a good bs filter.
      - justnotworthit 3y ago
        Writing or video production?
  - ovi256 3y ago
    [dead]
- lustig_reader 3y ago
  I find Layne unconvincing, and in fact many of his links in the supposed debunking do not speak to the point: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-hnlCHsVjiLH6aQoj4gU-j7niNYMvxHLOMg1JzDarFw/edit https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-hnlCHsVjiLH6aQoj4gU-j7n... He's a poor debater in that video, and he's begging the question in many cases. He actually agrees with Lustig that highly processed food is addictive (he gives different reasons), but he pretends to disagree (go virality!). He's inventing strawmen in order to have something to argue with. They are actually making the same prescription but for different reasons: eat less processed food and reduce caloric intake if you want to lose weight. He agrees that fruit is harder to consume, and is therefore a better vehicle to consume fructose if one is trying to limit caloric intake. There are lots of papers https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0149763421002761 https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S01497...
lustig_reader 3y ago
Here's Lustig's argument, lightly paraphrased: The intestine is made of intestinal epithelial cells, bound together by proteins to form a barrier. That class of proteins is called tight-junction proteins (eg zonulin). Fructose nitrates those proteins, causing them to be transiently permeable, allowing some of the sewage in your intestine to enter your bloodstream, leading to leaky gut. Leaky gut leads to inflammation of the liver, which leads to systemic inflammation. A biomarker of that inflammatory immune response is creactive protein (CRP). Lustic says 93% of Americans have leaky gut. Transcript for reference: https://www.happyscribe.com/public/huberman-lab/dr-82a32683-6a8a-4dcd-a3f7-799d997675aa https://www.happyscribe.com/public/huberman-lab/dr-82a32683-...

paul7986 3y ago

For myself i have mild kidney disease .. diagnosed at 40 with 55% kidney function out of 100 but with diet change (3 liters of water daily, only eat chicken, rice, salads, no greasy or fast foods, popcorn... things that do not have preservatives in it, avoid taking all/any medications & exercise daily) i now maintain a function of 80 to 85% out of 100. In my experience what you put in your body matters 100%. I do miss the damaging foods i use to eat growing up but it's either contiune eating bad and meet your decline quicker or change your lifestyle to continue enjoying a 100% full life for years to come.

henry2023 3y ago
I’m in a very similar condition. Who helped you set your dietary goals? Do you have some specific resources?
- paul7986 3y ago
  My kidney doc says i was born with small kidneys and that might be why i have mild CKD and or i took a medication that damaged my kidneys. Initially in 2019 she didnt advocate for changing diet .. seemed on the fence but to me it makes perfect sense what you put in your body matters a 100%. I read stuff on the Internet that day she diagnosed me and went to the store. Threw away all foods in my house that had preservatives and started to read labels at the store finding foods made with simple to a few natural ingredients. I increased my daily water intake to almost nothing to 3 liters a day, stopped eating all beef, pork and only eat grilled chicken, fruits, salads, rice, almond milk, breads (grains), avoid fried foods, cut down on dairy, do some type of exercise & or go to the gym daily (though ive always done that but stopped lifting heavy weights .. lots of cardio (running, swimming, lite weights) as kidney cant break down creatine as it use to when you lifted weights) and as mentioned i do my best to avoid taking all/any medications. It took 4 to 6 months for my function to rise from 55 to around 70 and in the coming years i got and maintained it from 75 to 85. I go for monthly to bi-monthly renal lab testing to ensure it's all good. I also strive to eat 1500 to 2000 calories a day (5'10 173 pounds). Unfortunately recently i decided to take a high dose of doxyclcyine (throughout past few years ive taken two smaller/longer doses of it without issue for flu) and it brought my function down :-( Working hard now to get it back. This is my journey .. i am not a doctor but from my experience and doctor worth their salt they should be advocating revolutionizing your diet ... some will say that's how it goes get ready to go on dialysis in a few years or so. Those doctors need to be ignored and find one who believes in nutrition and see how revolutionizing your diet most likely will heal your kidney some or by a lot too. **I eat out a lot throughout each week ... chic fil a (grilled nuggets, fruit cup, salad, water or unsweet tea & lemonade), Cava (chicken & rice bowls), Chipolte (chicken and rice bowls), Panera (Apple fuji salad or half of one of their chicken sandwiches.. sometimes do eat turkey) or at home cook spaghetti, air fried chicken tenders, pasta and still eat sweets but i calorie count daily and weigh myself daily too. Ha too most i sound obsessed but i am obsessed about my health and ive seen / see results from being such!