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Most people who try these things briefly entertain these ideas. They are really interesting and have the potential to trigger positive breakthroughs in a person

by api 3y ago

Most people who try these things briefly entertain these ideas. They are really interesting and have the potential to trigger positive breakthroughs in a person’s thinking. They also have high potential in therapy for things like PTSD and depression. But all you have to do is spend a little time around drug users or pay attention to the discourse in psychedelic friendly circles (Joe Rogan and Russell Brand anyone?) to see that drugs are not some kind of magic enlightenment in a pill. If they were there’d be more enlightened drug users.

bugglebeetle 3y ago
There is also the example of the Canadian psychologist, Elliot Barker, who tried to treat criminal psychopaths with LSD, only for researchers to later learn that it made them more psychopathic and re-offend at higher rates.
- lend000 3y ago
  Interesting, do you have a good source for this? Based on personal experience, it does seem somewhat intuitive that psychedelics would make you be more comfortable being "you", regardless of who you really are.
  - bugglebeetle 3y ago
    It’s covered to a fair extent in Jon Ronson’s The Psychopath Test. I believe this is the retrospective study on rates of recidivism: https://doi.org/10.1007/BF02352266 https://doi.org/10.1007/BF02352266
  - LoganDark 3y ago
    It's not necessarily that psychedelics make you more comfortable with yourself. Psychedelics can reinforce the psychopathic way of thinking. I'm not a psychopath (...as far as I can tell), but I can think similarly to one when sober. For me, LSD can intensify that way of thinking. It can intensify everything, to be fair, but the way you think while on it can be... I guess "conducive to psychopathy"? If a psychopath is missing emotion/conscience and is given LSD, then they can end up with far more ways to manipulate their own thoughts in a way that supports their psychopathy, if that makes any sense.
k__ 3y ago
Maybe, it's like with programming. You can code a game, a database, an OS, a framework, a LLM etc. with one tool.
basil-rash 3y ago
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bugglebeetle 3y ago

There is also the example of the Canadian psychologist, Elliot Barker, who tried to treat criminal psychopaths with LSD, only for researchers to later learn that it made them more psychopathic and re-offend at higher rates.

lend000 3y ago
Interesting, do you have a good source for this? Based on personal experience, it does seem somewhat intuitive that psychedelics would make you be more comfortable being "you", regardless of who you really are.
- bugglebeetle 3y ago
  It’s covered to a fair extent in Jon Ronson’s The Psychopath Test. I believe this is the retrospective study on rates of recidivism: https://doi.org/10.1007/BF02352266 https://doi.org/10.1007/BF02352266
- LoganDark 3y ago
  It's not necessarily that psychedelics make you more comfortable with yourself. Psychedelics can reinforce the psychopathic way of thinking. I'm not a psychopath (...as far as I can tell), but I can think similarly to one when sober. For me, LSD can intensify that way of thinking. It can intensify everything, to be fair, but the way you think while on it can be... I guess "conducive to psychopathy"? If a psychopath is missing emotion/conscience and is given LSD, then they can end up with far more ways to manipulate their own thoughts in a way that supports their psychopathy, if that makes any sense.

k__ 3y ago

Maybe, it's like with programming. You can code a game, a database, an OS, a framework, a LLM etc. with one tool.

basil-rash 3y ago

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