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Nitter.net has disappeared
- al_borland 3y ago>add 185.246.188.57 nitter.net to your hosts file Good workaround, but not so helpful for iOS.
- 1over137 3y agoIs that yet another thing the mothership won’t let you do with an iPhone?
- bsuvc 3y agoI don't think this limitation is exclusive to Apple though. As far as I know, there is no way to edit a hosts file on Android either. Is there?
- mminer237 3y agoNot without root
- realusername 3y agoI still consider it an Android bug that it isn't possible, even after all these years. The permission model on Android is pure nonsense.
- fsflover 3y agoYou can do it on a GNU/Linux phone though (sent from my Librem 5).
- KomoD 3y agoWell... not directly without root, but you can host a DNS Server on Android and use it if you wanted to
- jtokoph 3y agoTheoretically if you setup something like nextdns on the iPhone you could set an override
- cozzyd 3y agoYou just need a DNS server that does that, I guess?
- im3w1l 3y agoSo I was thinking it would be kind of nice if there was a way to write a url like https://nitter.net(c/o https://nitter.net(c/o 185.246.188.57)/something/other I guess links would still be broken though. Maybe a browser feature for a hosts file?
- d-k-bo 3y agoThat's basically what a HTTP client does. It connects to the server (, does some TLS stuff) and sends a request like GET / HTTP/2 Host: nitter.net […other headers] This would just need to be exposed in a browser.
- sodality2 3y agoWow, really surprising that Njal.la is the registrar and suspended zedeus, given they advertise themselves as resilient to government requests (not as trigger-happy when it comes to legal threats as other hosters). Their about page says: > The idea behind Njalla is to make sure that your visibility to the public is minimised if you need it to be. We're not going to give your customer data out easily. However, we will help if there are legal merits to any formal government requests to our system. If you use our service in a way that affects anyones health or safety, we reserve the right to suspend your service. Does this mean Twitter gave a very valid legal threat? Or worse, is there some Twitter content that is being mirrored that is unsavory and triggered an immediate suspension from Njalla? This is unfortunately very common for Nitter in particular [0] [1]. [0]: https://github.com/zedeus/nitter/wiki/DMCA-templates https://github.com/zedeus/nitter/wiki/DMCA-templates [1]: https://github.com/zedeus/nitter/issues/482 https://github.com/zedeus/nitter/issues/482
- nadermx 3y agoWhat's interesting about this is when you use Njalla you give your domain to them. So it seems in worse case they could just keep the domain with no legal recourse too? Given from my understanding nitter is simply a proxy service too this makes it odd.
- Aeolun 3y ago> Or worse, is there some Twitter content that is being mirrored that is unsavory and triggered an immediate suspension from Njalla? Since it mirrors all twitter content that seems almost a given.
- byyll 3y agoThey are clearly not resilient. They serve no purpose to the market.
- KomoD 3y ago> given they advertise themselves as resilient to government requests (not as trigger-happy when it comes to legal threats as other hosters) That does not mean they're ok with illegal things... such as CSAM which was the case here. They're not a bullet proof registrar, they're meant to be private, they're not even a registrar
- crotchfire 3y agonitter.net is unavailable because Njalla (domain vendor) suspended my account. I'm waiting for them to respond. https://github.com/zedeus/nitter/issues/1150#issuecomment-1890812835 https://github.com/zedeus/nitter/issues/1150#issuecomment-18... That is extremely disturbing. Njalla is the owner-of-record (i.e. nominee) for all domains registered through them, rather than merely the registrar. If they run off with your domain you have significantly fewer options for dealing with it than with any other registrar. I expected better than "shoot first ask questions later" from them. At least shoot while asking the questions; the owner should've had an explanation for the suspension waiting in their inbox.
- monero-xmr 3y agoNjalla is a misunderstood company. You can buy domains and VPCs with monero over VPN / Tor and be totally anonymous. However they will immediately roll over and give everything away to LEO. If you are conducting activity and a valid legal request comes to end that activity, they will. It is on you, the customer, the ensure you are operating privately and not conducting activity in a way that attracts valid legal requests. Nitter should have anticipated this and planned accordingly. The law is the law. Njalla is a wonderful service but they are not outlaws. They are structured in such a way to make it more difficult to stop their customers, and they hold less data about them. But they operate within the law. If you use their service and don’t take the adequate steps to protect your privacy, they will give away your data in accordance with the laws of the domicile they operate under.
- nhggfu 3y agoI'm pretty sure tor is not anonymous. I read a while back that the US gov controls most of the exit nodes (or something like that) + can do some decrypting monkeybusiness
- halJordan 3y agoAnything that can be produced without evidence can be dismissed without evidence. In our case, the evidence we do have is that tor is a hotbed for crime. That indicates tor is not some captive tool of the us government.
- DannyPage 3y agoA list of Nitter mirrors and their uptime status for those looking for alternatives: https://status.d420.de/ https://status.d420.de/
- trog 3y agoWorth noting this page also includes which Nitter instances support RSS. I've replaced 99 percent of my Twitter use with RSS now and oh my is it a more pleasant experience.
- canadiantim 3y agoSo what are the alternatives to Njalla?
- kevin_thibedeau 3y agoTor hidden service.
- byyll 3y agoIncogNet if you want a similar "we own it for you and let you manage it" service.
- CamelCaseName 3y agoCould this be Twitter paying or forcing Njalla to shut down Nitter?
- anileated 3y agoHow to kill any Twitter clone: 1. Twitter posts something infringing and waits for it to sync to the clone. 2. Twitter removes the infringing post. 3. Copyright owner DMCAs the clone. Some little bird tells it about the infringing post. 4. After the clone does nothing, copyright owner DMCAs its infrastructure providers (ISP, DNS), who promptly kill the clone. Given sufficiently big copyright owner (Warner Bros, etc.), providers will probably ban clone’s billing account permanently for good measure. To avoid this scenario, all the clone needs to do is be a good citizen and respect DMCA takedown notices.
- jevoten 3y agoTangential, but Firefox's error message "Hmm. We’re having trouble finding that site. An error occurred during a connection to nitter.net." is so user-friendly it is useless. Is the certificate invalid? Is the DNS record missing? Was the IP address found, but is returning malformed answers? Is it returning nothing at all? Can I even reach any DNS servers, or is my connection to the internet itself dead? The browser isn't telling, not even behind a "show details" button. There's only "trouble" and "an error", and some patronizing anthropomorphism with the "Hmm."
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- icehawk 3y ago- Is the certificate invalid? - Was the IP address found, but is returning malformed answers? - Is it returning nothing at all? Firefox returns "Your connection is not secure" for the first, and the raw data from the HTTP request for the others. (Or Secure Connection Failed for the second if you try to use HTTPS) "We’re having trouble finding that site." is only ever given if the browser tries to do a DNS lookup and does not get an answer.
- jevoten 3y agoHaving to first get an error message for every other error condition first, to find what this error is about by process of elimination, is not reasonable or informative.
- kortilla 3y ago“Finding” is dns. The rest of those scenarios mention connection issues
- crotchfire 3y agosomeone filed a complaint to Njalla about unconsensual nudity being hosted on nitter.net, with a link that actually came from another instance. https://github.com/zedeus/nitter/issues/1150#issuecomment-1890851760 https://github.com/zedeus/nitter/issues/1150#issuecomment-18... Extremely not-encouraging. I didn't think much of it when I got an email with the subject "Njalla: New Message", and the body just being a link, while traveling. This is not what I would call professional behavior by Njalla. Apparently everything they send you, including "hey try our new iOS app in the app store!", comes in the form of "Njalla: New Message <hyperlink>". So you have to click-login-read every one of those "new app in the app store!" spams in order to not miss the "hey we might suspend your domain" messages. And of course you can't write spam filtering rules for any of this since it's all forced through a browser flow instead of your mail client. Great. And this login-to-read-the-link is with the credentials that control transfers of your domain -- heaven forbid you might not want to keep those on every machine from which you read email...
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- Aeolun 3y agoThis is no different from Amazon though. All their emails, including the “we wont refund you if you don’t respond” ones come with exactly the same “about your order” subject.
- crotchfire 3y agoIt is completely different. You seem to have selectively ignored everything about this discussion except "unhelpful subject line". All of Amazon's emails have a complete body with all the important text instead of just a "click link to read". Spamfiltering against this works very well. Compare apples to apples: what do Amazon's account suspension emails look like?
- Aeolun 3y agoThe point in the original message on Github was that you see an email in your inbox and ignore it because it looks like the other 100 emails you get every day. Maybe their account suspension emails are different, maybe not. I wouldn’t bet on it anyway.
- Aeolun 3y agoHow would you know any nudity on twitter was unconsensual? How would you prove it to the service you are asking to block it? Do they just assume it is if anything nude shows up?
- kmeisthax 3y agoYou can know it's nonconsensual if, say, the subject of the photo complains about it. Presumably they're the ones sending the notice to Njalla, who then sent the complaint on to the wrong subscriber, and thus here we are.
- caskstrength 3y agoShouldn't the subject complain to the police instead? How can Njalla even validate whom the request comes from and why should they?
- anileated 3y agoRemember, you own a copyright to your image*. If someone posts a private photo or video of you that you don’t like, whether there’s nudity or not, you can DMCA the hell out of that post while you are waiting for police to do something (which they still often don’t**). * https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Model_release https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Model_release ** https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/darknet-diaries/id1296350485?i=1000637436744 https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/darknet-diaries/id1296...
- caskstrength 3y agoHow do you prove it is you on the image? And that you didn't sign a model release? More importantly, are random registrar or a hosting provider capable of handling such cases? And should they? Maybe police is better equipped for that?
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- fdsfasfa 3y agoThis so called Njalla's website screams scam. No contacts, no people. Just a mention of some 1337 LLC in the depths of pages and a lot of attention to "what Njalla means ... From the dictionary ... /ˈɲalla/ (Sami)" on every page as if someone gives a shit. And, of course, it's overpriced, too. No wonder, the account has been suspended.
- number6 3y agoYou should check their history. They are deeply connected with pirate bay
- justinclift 3y agoThe original one, or the present one that can't even order the search results by date correctly? ;)
- nilsherzig 3y agoOriginal one, and I think some of them worked on IPreditor
- KomoD 3y agoYeah, Peter Sunde (one of the TPB founders) founded both IPredator and Njalla and then merged IPredator into Njalla
- orbital-decay 3y agoThat's how a typical bulletproof service looks like.
- byyll 3y agoNothing bulletproof about shutting down your whole account for 1 complaint for a proxy service, which Njalla isn't even hosting. A mainstream provider will handle this better.
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- byyll 3y agoI hope that's the last straw needed to switch away from this unprofessional registrar run from a basement.
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- KomoD 3y ago"Felt a bit shitty to have my domain taken down over something I'm not responsible for. The content is only available through Nitter because Twitter makes it available." He totally is responsible, the argument "i only serve it because twitter serves it" is bad in my opinion, he's still serving it, just because Twitter does it too doesn't absolve him of all responsibility
- xigoi 3y agoIf someone views child porn using Mozilla Firefox, is Mozilla responsible for it?
- KomoD 3y agoThat's not the same at all?
- Astraco 3y agoYes, it is. Nitter is just a front end for Twitter, doesn't host anything, doesn't have anything to do with what's posted on Twitter, it just shows it.
- KomoD 3y agoIt proxies it through their servers. You are connecting to Nitter, not Twitter. They are serving the content to you (the user), not Twitter.
- xigoi 3y agoAlright. If someone sends child porn to someone by physical mail, is the mail company responsible for it?
- stemlord 3y agoTwitter would be the party mailing the letter to Nitter, and Nitter is mailing it to the end user. Nitter is responsible for mailing it to the end user. It doesn't matter that they originally got it from Twitter or aliens from Uranus. The mail company is Firefox browser.
- doaefjalneg 3y agonjal.la restored nitter.net, and replied with their reasons: https://github.com/zedeus/nitter/issues/1150#issuecomment-1891049573 https://github.com/zedeus/nitter/issues/1150#issuecomment-18... tbh I can totally understand why they acted this way.