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> OpenSSL, for example, was hit with quite a few serious bugs over the years, and I'd still choose using it than my own SSL implementation. Especially in assemb

> OpenSSL, for example, was hit with quite a few serious bugs over the years, and I'd still choose using it than my own SSL implementation. Especially in assembly. That's the difference between a programmer and a real engineer: an engineer doesn't need any help from dependencies to make his code totally insecure.

bee_rider 3y ago
Engineers do design, implementation is the job of the technician or machinist or somebody like that. If the engineer’s code ends up shipped to customers, something very strange has happened.
- hardware2win 3y ago
  In my world architects design, engineers provide feedback and implement stuff First time I hear about technicians writing code.
- kragen 3y ago
  the source code is the design; it plays the same role that schematics or mechanical drawings play for products made by electronic technicians or machinists. the difference is that compilers take the place of technicians or machinists, and that confuses people, often for political/ideological reasons see jack w. reeves's 'code as design' series, beginning with 'what is software design?' from 01992, for a fuller explanation https://www.developerdotstar.com/mag/articles/reeves_design.html https://www.developerdotstar.com/mag/articles/reeves_design.... https://www.developerdotstar.com/mag/articles/reeves_originalletter.html https://www.developerdotstar.com/mag/articles/reeves_origina... https://www.developerdotstar.com/mag/articles/reeves_13yearslater.html https://www.developerdotstar.com/mag/articles/reeves_13years..., and the discussion on wiki https://wiki.c2.com/?TheSourceCodeIsTheDesign= https://wiki.c2.com/?TheSourceCodeIsTheDesign=
  - ozozozd 3y ago
    That was a great read. Amazing how it can still be quoted to explain software design 32 years later.
    - kragen 3y ago
      glad you enjoyed it!
- resonious 3y ago
  What industry are you from?
- ozozozd 3y ago
  No snark but this is the ultimate example of “tell me you never built software without telling me you never built software” Unless I totally missed the sarcasm.

bee_rider 3y ago

Engineers do design, implementation is the job of the technician or machinist or somebody like that. If the engineer’s code ends up shipped to customers, something very strange has happened.

hardware2win 3y ago
In my world architects design, engineers provide feedback and implement stuff First time I hear about technicians writing code.
kragen 3y ago
the source code is the design; it plays the same role that schematics or mechanical drawings play for products made by electronic technicians or machinists. the difference is that compilers take the place of technicians or machinists, and that confuses people, often for political/ideological reasons see jack w. reeves's 'code as design' series, beginning with 'what is software design?' from 01992, for a fuller explanation https://www.developerdotstar.com/mag/articles/reeves_design.html https://www.developerdotstar.com/mag/articles/reeves_design.... https://www.developerdotstar.com/mag/articles/reeves_originalletter.html https://www.developerdotstar.com/mag/articles/reeves_origina... https://www.developerdotstar.com/mag/articles/reeves_13yearslater.html https://www.developerdotstar.com/mag/articles/reeves_13years..., and the discussion on wiki https://wiki.c2.com/?TheSourceCodeIsTheDesign= https://wiki.c2.com/?TheSourceCodeIsTheDesign=
- ozozozd 3y ago
  That was a great read. Amazing how it can still be quoted to explain software design 32 years later.
  - kragen 3y ago
    glad you enjoyed it!
resonious 3y ago
What industry are you from?
ozozozd 3y ago
No snark but this is the ultimate example of “tell me you never built software without telling me you never built software” Unless I totally missed the sarcasm.