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This is a step in the right direction but it is still wrong. Yes, whatever praise or accolades you earn from work will be things you can never take with you whe

This is a step in the right direction but it is still wrong. Yes, whatever praise or accolades you earn from work will be things you can never take with you when you pass. But the same also goes for whatever enjoyment you get from hobbies, interests or activities. You've just swapped one temporary source of happiness for another. Even if the latter is more meaningful, it is still temporary. It is easy to suggest focusing on one's happiness but it is more useful and (more difficult) to figure out how to tackle unhappiness instead. The goal is equanimity not happiness (i.e happiness in the conventional hedonic sense). Focus on the cessation of your personal suffering.

panarky 3y ago
> when you pass Nihilism is not the belief that there is no God and life is ultimately meaningless. Nihilism is recognizing that there is no God and life is ultimately meaningless, while continuing to sacrifice at a grinding job you hate, continuing to submit to the phony morality of those higher than you in the social hierarchy, conforming to social rituals and customs you privately think are bullshit, continuing to follow the rules of external authorities as if that might pay off in the afterlife. Nihilism is understanding the truth, but pretending the universe is different than it really is, so you can evade personal responsibility for creating your own meaning. Nihilism is behaving as if there is a God who gives life meaning, even when you don't actually believe that, instead of assuming responsibility for making your own meaning during the brief time you're alive.
- Sajarin 3y ago
  I'm not a nihilist so I don't know whether those characterizations are accurate. It seems you are making some conflations with absurdism and pascal's wager. Nihilism to me is about accepting the idea that there is no self but without actually having directly experienced that truth. And according to buddhism for instance, there is a way to experience a selfless existence which gives rise to true equanimity. Without direct experience, nihilism is just another form of faith.
  - reactordev 3y ago
    Correct, the one truth is Buddha and its many derivatives. We are one and we are none. That our existence itself is but a thread of wool in a spool of yarn in a fabric of life on a bed of chaos. “Many people are alive but don’t touch the miracle of being alive” - Thich Nhat Hanh
- brabel 3y ago
  > Nihilism is behaving as if there is a God who gives life meaning, even when you don't actually believe that, instead of assuming responsibility for making your own meaning during the brief time you're alive. TIL I am a nihilist.
  - kirso 3y ago
    That sounds more like absurdism > the belief that human beings exist in a purposeless, chaotic universe.
    - brabel 3y ago
      Would be interesting to hear a convincing argument against that.
      - docmars 3y ago
        I think the fact that many people end up finding true, fulfilling purpose; and that miracles and seemingly unimaginable, orchestrated coincidences happen regularly, to our surprise, is well enough of an argument probably.
- epiccoleman 3y ago
  I found this video to be quite significant to me on the "nihilism" front : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jv79l1b-eoI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jv79l1b-eoI
  - pppoe 3y ago
    Thanks for the video. This is so encouraging.
    - epiccoleman 3y ago
      I'm glad you enjoyed it. I really like that whole channel, there's a lot of great stuff there.
- yayr 3y ago
  I don't understand why having the opportunity as an individual and species of defying entropy and all the consequences this would bring should be meaningless...
reactordev 3y ago
“This is a step in the right direction but it is still wrong” You are wrong in suggesting I’m wrong. There isn’t any wrong. If you believe what you say, you would understand that and strip “wrong” from your vocabulary. There is only a way. There are many ways. The one I described was mine. The universe does not recognize your black and white thinking.
- Sajarin 3y ago
  I mean this doesn’t really mean anything. There is a right view and a wrong view, and of course you can make incremental steps towards right views. Don’t get so attached to your own opinions, that’s a form of clinging.
  - pauby 3y ago
    > Don’t get so attached to your own opinions, that’s a form of clinging. Ironically, this is precisely what you're doing.
    - Sajarin 3y ago
      lol this comment is ironic on many levels, thanks
  - reactordev 3y ago
    “There is a right view and a wrong view” there you go again. No, there is your own right way and wrong way. Those ways are not the same as mine per se. Stop trying to conform my world view to yours. I would highly recommend you read “The Heart of the Buddha’s Teachings” by Thich Nhat Hanh.
    - Sajarin 3y ago
      The terms right view and wrong view are from buddhism. There is a right view as taught by the Buddha found in his teachings. Clinging to right view is better than clinging to wrong view, even if it’s still clinging. But following your own logic, why the resistance to my comments if my statements are neither right or wrong and is just as valid as yours? I’m not intentionally doing the things you’re accusing me of doing. At the end of the day, may you understand the causes of your own suffering and find peace.
brainless 3y ago
I am not the OP, but I disagree here. Happiness that we find in our social life, our friendships, family and relationships is not the same or swap-able with our career. This is something I learned the hard way, being drunk on startup cool-aid in the early life till it wore me down. Friendships or other things I mentioned: not that everything is smooth, but there is a sense of comfort, pleasure, joy that just does not go away with more time invested. Because I am not looking for returns. Just being around is bliss. Bumming out of a beach is very underrated. Going to a movie date is underrated. This is where my happiness lies. Then on top I write code now again, not to gain startup throne but because I like learning and typing out my thoughts in code.
- Sajarin 3y ago
  The point of disagreement here is probably with regards to our definitions of happiness. What you define as happiness, I see as just forms of temporary satisfaction or pleasure. In my opinion, I think happiness isn’t the goal since it’s temporary. Instead we should aim for equanimity which arises from the complete cessation of stress and doubt and is much harder to obtain but is longer lasting.
  - mlrtime 3y ago
    It might be important to take a step back. If you are a practicing Buddhist and read OPs comment, you may be right. Most are not, and they can't be shoved into the deep end of this philosophy. Having said that, taking small steps is important. I feel OPs point is valid, in the sense that happiness comes from within, not external validation.
  - brainless 3y ago
    I would highly encourage* you to read Siddhartha by Hermann Hesse. I used to look at happiness and love also from a high pedestal point of view. As if I am more intellectual and these are mere temporary illusions. This book changed my point of view. Also, I live in the land of people living in love and harmony with Buddism being a strong presence all around (Nepal, Sikkim, etc.). I embraced life, love, bonding, friendships, heartbreaks and have never looked back.

panarky 3y ago

> when you pass Nihilism is not the belief that there is no God and life is ultimately meaningless. Nihilism is recognizing that there is no God and life is ultimately meaningless, while continuing to sacrifice at a grinding job you hate, continuing to submit to the phony morality of those higher than you in the social hierarchy, conforming to social rituals and customs you privately think are bullshit, continuing to follow the rules of external authorities as if that might pay off in the afterlife. Nihilism is understanding the truth, but pretending the universe is different than it really is, so you can evade personal responsibility for creating your own meaning. Nihilism is behaving as if there is a God who gives life meaning, even when you don't actually believe that, instead of assuming responsibility for making your own meaning during the brief time you're alive.

Sajarin 3y ago
I'm not a nihilist so I don't know whether those characterizations are accurate. It seems you are making some conflations with absurdism and pascal's wager. Nihilism to me is about accepting the idea that there is no self but without actually having directly experienced that truth. And according to buddhism for instance, there is a way to experience a selfless existence which gives rise to true equanimity. Without direct experience, nihilism is just another form of faith.
- reactordev 3y ago
  Correct, the one truth is Buddha and its many derivatives. We are one and we are none. That our existence itself is but a thread of wool in a spool of yarn in a fabric of life on a bed of chaos. “Many people are alive but don’t touch the miracle of being alive” - Thich Nhat Hanh
brabel 3y ago
> Nihilism is behaving as if there is a God who gives life meaning, even when you don't actually believe that, instead of assuming responsibility for making your own meaning during the brief time you're alive. TIL I am a nihilist.
- kirso 3y ago
  That sounds more like absurdism > the belief that human beings exist in a purposeless, chaotic universe.
  - brabel 3y ago
    Would be interesting to hear a convincing argument against that.
    - docmars 3y ago
      I think the fact that many people end up finding true, fulfilling purpose; and that miracles and seemingly unimaginable, orchestrated coincidences happen regularly, to our surprise, is well enough of an argument probably.
epiccoleman 3y ago
I found this video to be quite significant to me on the "nihilism" front : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jv79l1b-eoI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jv79l1b-eoI
- pppoe 3y ago
  Thanks for the video. This is so encouraging.
  - epiccoleman 3y ago
    I'm glad you enjoyed it. I really like that whole channel, there's a lot of great stuff there.
yayr 3y ago
I don't understand why having the opportunity as an individual and species of defying entropy and all the consequences this would bring should be meaningless...

reactordev 3y ago

“This is a step in the right direction but it is still wrong” You are wrong in suggesting I’m wrong. There isn’t any wrong. If you believe what you say, you would understand that and strip “wrong” from your vocabulary. There is only a way. There are many ways. The one I described was mine. The universe does not recognize your black and white thinking.

Sajarin 3y ago
I mean this doesn’t really mean anything. There is a right view and a wrong view, and of course you can make incremental steps towards right views. Don’t get so attached to your own opinions, that’s a form of clinging.
- pauby 3y ago
  > Don’t get so attached to your own opinions, that’s a form of clinging. Ironically, this is precisely what you're doing.
  - Sajarin 3y ago
    lol this comment is ironic on many levels, thanks
- reactordev 3y ago
  “There is a right view and a wrong view” there you go again. No, there is your own right way and wrong way. Those ways are not the same as mine per se. Stop trying to conform my world view to yours. I would highly recommend you read “The Heart of the Buddha’s Teachings” by Thich Nhat Hanh.
  - Sajarin 3y ago
    The terms right view and wrong view are from buddhism. There is a right view as taught by the Buddha found in his teachings. Clinging to right view is better than clinging to wrong view, even if it’s still clinging. But following your own logic, why the resistance to my comments if my statements are neither right or wrong and is just as valid as yours? I’m not intentionally doing the things you’re accusing me of doing. At the end of the day, may you understand the causes of your own suffering and find peace.

brainless 3y ago

I am not the OP, but I disagree here. Happiness that we find in our social life, our friendships, family and relationships is not the same or swap-able with our career. This is something I learned the hard way, being drunk on startup cool-aid in the early life till it wore me down. Friendships or other things I mentioned: not that everything is smooth, but there is a sense of comfort, pleasure, joy that just does not go away with more time invested. Because I am not looking for returns. Just being around is bliss. Bumming out of a beach is very underrated. Going to a movie date is underrated. This is where my happiness lies. Then on top I write code now again, not to gain startup throne but because I like learning and typing out my thoughts in code.

Sajarin 3y ago
The point of disagreement here is probably with regards to our definitions of happiness. What you define as happiness, I see as just forms of temporary satisfaction or pleasure. In my opinion, I think happiness isn’t the goal since it’s temporary. Instead we should aim for equanimity which arises from the complete cessation of stress and doubt and is much harder to obtain but is longer lasting.
- mlrtime 3y ago
  It might be important to take a step back. If you are a practicing Buddhist and read OPs comment, you may be right. Most are not, and they can't be shoved into the deep end of this philosophy. Having said that, taking small steps is important. I feel OPs point is valid, in the sense that happiness comes from within, not external validation.
- brainless 3y ago
  I would highly encourage* you to read Siddhartha by Hermann Hesse. I used to look at happiness and love also from a high pedestal point of view. As if I am more intellectual and these are mere temporary illusions. This book changed my point of view. Also, I live in the land of people living in love and harmony with Buddism being a strong presence all around (Nepal, Sikkim, etc.). I embraced life, love, bonding, friendships, heartbreaks and have never looked back.