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> A perfect storm of wide spread free information and dating apps [...] Possibly true, but at the very least you are missing a key ingredient in the loosening
by gred 3y ago
> A perfect storm of wide spread free information and dating apps [...]
Possibly true, but at the very least you are missing a key ingredient in the loosening of sexual mores over the past 60 years. A world with today's technology but the sexual conventions of the 1950's might apply those efficiencies towards the creation of happy marriages, rather than the creation of... whatever we call the webs that we have today.
- voidwtf 3y agoCan you define “the sexual conventions of the 1950’s”? I’m unsure of the implication here.
- gred 3y agoThis seems self-evident to me, but here you go: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/11011072_Changes_over_time_in_teenage_sexual_relationships_Comparing_the_high_school_class_of_1950_1975_and_2000 https://www.researchgate.net/publication/11011072_Changes_ov...
- voidwtf 3y agoSo decreased sexual repression, more open communication about sex, and less likely to wait til marriage to have sex. Those all sound like positive things to me. How are you correlating marriage success to these changes? If anything I would think those who decide to marry would be less likely to encounter sexual compatibility issues if they were able to openly discuss their needs with one another. Statistics appear to show that these changes may be leading to lower divorce rates, it also appears that divorce rates are highest among those from previous generations. The rates still seem highest among those who married early in life, but less people are marrying early now, which seems to be helping.
- gred 3y agoYou seem determined to frame the changes in a positive light. I disagree, but that's besides the point for the purposes of this discussion. My point is that in a society which heavily discourages premarital sex, dating sites might optimize the marriage process, as opposed to optimizing the hookup process. For an extreme example, see: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-57818758 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-57818758
- voidwtf 3y agoI have never heard of something more dystopian, a state sanctioned dating app. Huxley rolling in his grave right now.
- supertimor 3y agoAh yes, a not invasive at all super viable solution. I think most women would prefer to be single than participate in a state sanctioned dating app that requires that they be spied on for four years. “Dating apps are popular in Iran, but from now on only Hamdam will be legal. Iranian law also criminalises consensual sexual relationships outside marriage. According to Hamdam's website, users will have to verify their identity and undergo a psychological test before they start searching for a partner.” [0] When a match is found, the app "introduces the families together with the presence of service consultants", who will "accompany" the couple for four years after their marriage. [0] https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-57818758 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-57818758
- pfisherman 3y agoWere marriages happier in the 1950s? Or were people just trapped in unhappy marriages without any recourse? Weren’t many of the 1950s housewives taking amphetamines and antidepressants to cope?
- gred 3y agoNo idea. Let me know if you find any research on the topic. I certainly don't trust modern Hollywood tropes on this subject.
- pfisherman 3y agoIs the Hollywood trope “Leave It To Beaver” or “Revolutionary Road”?
- gred 3y agoPossibly both? Only one of them qualifies as modern, though :-)