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I can understand the motives of Brexit supporters, even though I believe the campaign to leave was itself a massive hack. What I cannot understand is how poorly

I can understand the motives of Brexit supporters, even though I believe the campaign to leave was itself a massive hack. What I cannot understand is how poorly Brexit was handled. One would think that such a drastic change should take 10 years or more to prepare for.

acdha 3y ago
The problem is that the idea was fundamentally fraudulent. There was no conceivable way to deliver the promised financial gains, so everyone sensible refused to put their name on a plan and it rotated through a cast of people who were ideological/foolish enough to proceed anyway.
poisonborz 3y ago
> I can understand the motives of Brexit supporters Care to explain? EU has big problems, but for any member state, especially the UK this was a jump from the cliff.
- karp773 3y ago
  Mostly anti-immigration sentiments.
  - orwin 3y ago
    There is also powerlessness in front of change (that hit every other EU country, save maybe the nordic ones) and the feeling of declassment, that you're not middle class anymore. The UK might feel it more the last one than other EU countries though. I only went to Leeds and London, but the build quality of non-bourgeois houses is not good, almost US-grade imho (not a dig: you don't need good windows/insulation/coating when you're living in California, you do when you're in the UK). Which is a problem when the house wasn't refitted in 50 years. It's not ultimately the EU fault, but it failed to uphold the promise of citizen protection and growing together at the same pace. Also, Brexit made EU a lot more resilient and refocused on citizen/consumer protection (despite the "but think of the children" crowd trying its utmost to pass the dumbest laws in the world).
  - tim333 3y ago
    Also self determination. Wanting the country run by British idiots rather than foreign ones.
threatofrain 3y ago
For such a controversial position, what does it mean to work on a 10-year discussion with the EU over leaving when all the meanwhile your population's mood may go up and down? From the perspective of short-lived politicians, something only happens if it happens on your watch.
scott_w 3y ago
To implement Brexit required competence. If you were competent, you realised Brexit was insane and would refuse to implement it. Therefore, only the incompetent and unscrupulous would take charge to implement Brexit.

acdha 3y ago

The problem is that the idea was fundamentally fraudulent. There was no conceivable way to deliver the promised financial gains, so everyone sensible refused to put their name on a plan and it rotated through a cast of people who were ideological/foolish enough to proceed anyway.

poisonborz 3y ago

> I can understand the motives of Brexit supporters Care to explain? EU has big problems, but for any member state, especially the UK this was a jump from the cliff.

karp773 3y ago
Mostly anti-immigration sentiments.
- orwin 3y ago
  There is also powerlessness in front of change (that hit every other EU country, save maybe the nordic ones) and the feeling of declassment, that you're not middle class anymore. The UK might feel it more the last one than other EU countries though. I only went to Leeds and London, but the build quality of non-bourgeois houses is not good, almost US-grade imho (not a dig: you don't need good windows/insulation/coating when you're living in California, you do when you're in the UK). Which is a problem when the house wasn't refitted in 50 years. It's not ultimately the EU fault, but it failed to uphold the promise of citizen protection and growing together at the same pace. Also, Brexit made EU a lot more resilient and refocused on citizen/consumer protection (despite the "but think of the children" crowd trying its utmost to pass the dumbest laws in the world).
- tim333 3y ago
  Also self determination. Wanting the country run by British idiots rather than foreign ones.

threatofrain 3y ago

For such a controversial position, what does it mean to work on a 10-year discussion with the EU over leaving when all the meanwhile your population's mood may go up and down? From the perspective of short-lived politicians, something only happens if it happens on your watch.

scott_w 3y ago

To implement Brexit required competence. If you were competent, you realised Brexit was insane and would refuse to implement it. Therefore, only the incompetent and unscrupulous would take charge to implement Brexit.