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Oh in Europe politicians dont care that the local population is declining. The US tries to solve it by banning abortions, but that’s going to cause more issues

Oh in Europe politicians dont care that the local population is declining. The US tries to solve it by banning abortions, but that’s going to cause more issues than solve. In Europe they just welcome anyone and then put them on benefits. I am not against migration but those poor souls arrive in Europe to escape poverty and end up being poor here because they face the same challenges as the locals.

seanmcdirmid 3y ago
> The US tries to solve it by banning abortions This is not why the US is, or more accurately some states in the US are, banning abortion. It is very much a moral thing for them: they want to punish sex before marriage, especially for young girls, or maybe they really do believe fetuses are sentient, but it definitely isn't about promoting population growth. America has had a higher immigration rate than most of Europe for a couple of hundred years now.
- gumballindie 3y ago
  > It is very much a moral thing for them I think that’s the popular narrative, but the real reason is population decline. Someone somewhere must understand the implications of a small number of people in the US. Not just because there are fewer taxpayers but there also fewer people to support the logistics of war. I dont like the idea but I think that is part of the reason. Europe is not the US, it’s not a country, and is not made of non European immigrants - though all Europeans are closely related. And that means that population decline is already causing political and social tension. Because to maintain the economy people from the outside are coming in and locals dont like it. There is no European country without tension. Not something I like either. The only way to solve these issues is to make it possible for people to have children and family life - traditional or not - of their own accord. Corporate capitalism doesnt allow for that. It causes market anomalies - ie people unable to even dream of owning a house, it causes mental health issues due to forcing people to sit in office settings with office politics, and it damages small businesses. Corporatism is damaging to national security and social cohesion. I think the way to solve many of the population and independence of the younger generation is an aggressive development of small to medium sized businesses. Free people are more likely to want a family in my view. Basically, we need a return to actual capitalism.

seanmcdirmid 3y ago

> The US tries to solve it by banning abortions This is not why the US is, or more accurately some states in the US are, banning abortion. It is very much a moral thing for them: they want to punish sex before marriage, especially for young girls, or maybe they really do believe fetuses are sentient, but it definitely isn't about promoting population growth. America has had a higher immigration rate than most of Europe for a couple of hundred years now.

gumballindie 3y ago
> It is very much a moral thing for them I think that’s the popular narrative, but the real reason is population decline. Someone somewhere must understand the implications of a small number of people in the US. Not just because there are fewer taxpayers but there also fewer people to support the logistics of war. I dont like the idea but I think that is part of the reason. Europe is not the US, it’s not a country, and is not made of non European immigrants - though all Europeans are closely related. And that means that population decline is already causing political and social tension. Because to maintain the economy people from the outside are coming in and locals dont like it. There is no European country without tension. Not something I like either. The only way to solve these issues is to make it possible for people to have children and family life - traditional or not - of their own accord. Corporate capitalism doesnt allow for that. It causes market anomalies - ie people unable to even dream of owning a house, it causes mental health issues due to forcing people to sit in office settings with office politics, and it damages small businesses. Corporatism is damaging to national security and social cohesion. I think the way to solve many of the population and independence of the younger generation is an aggressive development of small to medium sized businesses. Free people are more likely to want a family in my view. Basically, we need a return to actual capitalism.