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Yeah - I was getting excited about having booked an EV for my Christmas holiday visiting family in the UK (with Hertz). Fortunately researching charging knocked

Yeah - I was getting excited about having booked an EV for my Christmas holiday visiting family in the UK (with Hertz). Fortunately researching charging knocked some sense into me and I switched back to a ICE vehicle. - Even though I was staying in their house there was no way I could charge it without buying an expensive cable, or risking some cheap crap from Amazon (blow up the house or the rental car perhaps?) - Every damn thing needs an app (and an account and registration - fun if you don't actually live in the country in question). Seriously just put up a charger and a contactless payment reader. Imagine if every petrol pump needed an app to start? May as well go back to having to put pound coins in a meter... - Oh and it was expensive anyway at 85p/KWh at public recharging points. So 78kWh * 0.85 = 66GBP ($84) per charge, say 230 miles to be generous. I gave the petrol rental back with 600 miles extra on the clock and put a bit over 50 quid in petrol in it.

bb123 3y ago
> Every damn thing needs an app (and an account and registration - fun if you don't actually live in the country in question). Seriously just put up a charger and a contactless payment reader. Imagine if every petrol pump needed an app to start? May as well go back to having to put pound coins in a meter... This actually isn't true. It is law in the UK that every public charger must have a contactless reader on it. Many of them have apps but you don't need to use them. Your point about the price is very valid though. With the exception of Tesla Superchargers they are extremely expensive. For some reason Supercharger prices range from 12-35p. The Supercharger network in the UK is pretty good, but driving anything other than a Tesla is a nightmare.
- jasoncartwright 3y ago
  I think your knowledge may be a little out of date. I charge my (non-Tesla) EV at Tesla Superchargers and pay 30p/kWh at the excellent Ionity (350kW!) chargers.
  - toyg 3y ago
    There is exactly one Ionity charger for the whole of Greater Manchester, with the other nearest ones being more than an hour drive in two directions. Not a realistic suggestion for anyone not living in London.
    - jasoncartwright 3y ago
      There are 12 Ionity chargers in Greater Manchester, plus 18 Tesla ones. I've used both sets. You seem to be confusing home/destination chargers and rapid chargers - which is a common mistake for non-EV drivers to make. Unlike petrol, electricity comes to you.
      - michaelt 3y ago
        > You seem to be confusing home/destination chargers and rapid chargers Well, or they went to https://ionity.eu/en/network/network-status https://ionity.eu/en/network/network-status or https://www.zap-map.com/live/ https://www.zap-map.com/live/ looked at Manchester and it listed only one Ionity charger, "Manchester East".
        toyg 3y ago
        This.
        jasoncartwright 3y ago
        Doesn't really matter, but that's one location that contains multiple chargers. Of course, very few people that live in Greater Manchester would use a really fast charger like those there whilst in Greater Manchester. Maybe if you're a taxi driver, or caught short somehow? This is the confusion I was talking about.
        toyg 3y ago
        > that's one location that contains multiple chargers. It's still one location. If I live in Trafford is easily a 45 minute drive, much worse at peak times. > very few people that live in Greater Manchester would use a really fast charger Because obviously we all have driveways and we can leave the car there overnight. Fuck 'em terraces scum. /s
- AdamN 3y ago
  I wish the EU would do that. Driving in Germany is impossible without one of the charge cards. I really don't get why credit cards aren't mandated to work on all public chargers.
  - troupo 3y ago
    EU is doing that as well now: https://www.theverge.com/23806690/eu-ev-fast-charger-60km-law-regulation-requirements https://www.theverge.com/23806690/eu-ev-fast-charger-60km-la... --- start quote --- The regulation also requires that ad-hoc charging payments can be made via cards or contactless devices, without requiring a subscription. That should make it possible to pull over to any charging station from any network and charge your EV without first hunting for the correct app or signing up for a subscription. Operators are required to clearly list prices at their installed recharging points via “electronic means,” including wait times and availability. --- end quote --- It will take time for all chargers to convert though.
- averageRoyalty 3y ago
  Amusingly in Australia, most car rental companies provide free charging and you can return the car at whatever battery suits. They give you a card to tap, and Tesla Superchargers are probably the most expensive charger you can find.
troupo 3y ago
> Every damn thing needs an app EU is going to require all chargers to just work with credit cards: https://www.theverge.com/23806690/eu-ev-fast-charger-60km-law-regulation-requirements https://www.theverge.com/23806690/eu-ev-fast-charger-60km-la... --- start quote --- he regulation also requires that ad-hoc charging payments can be made via cards or contactless devices, without requiring a subscription. That should make it possible to pull over to any charging station from any network and charge your EV without first hunting for the correct app or signing up for a subscription. Operators are required to clearly list prices at their installed recharging points via “electronic means,” including wait times and availability. --- end quote ---
- haspok 3y ago
  Wow, this is great news indeed! I never really understood how this was not regulated right from the start. But better late than never...
justinclift 3y ago
> at 85p/KWh at public recharging points. Wow. For rates like that it'd be worth making your own public charger. ;)

bb123 3y ago

> Every damn thing needs an app (and an account and registration - fun if you don't actually live in the country in question). Seriously just put up a charger and a contactless payment reader. Imagine if every petrol pump needed an app to start? May as well go back to having to put pound coins in a meter... This actually isn't true. It is law in the UK that every public charger must have a contactless reader on it. Many of them have apps but you don't need to use them. Your point about the price is very valid though. With the exception of Tesla Superchargers they are extremely expensive. For some reason Supercharger prices range from 12-35p. The Supercharger network in the UK is pretty good, but driving anything other than a Tesla is a nightmare.

jasoncartwright 3y ago
I think your knowledge may be a little out of date. I charge my (non-Tesla) EV at Tesla Superchargers and pay 30p/kWh at the excellent Ionity (350kW!) chargers.
- toyg 3y ago
  There is exactly one Ionity charger for the whole of Greater Manchester, with the other nearest ones being more than an hour drive in two directions. Not a realistic suggestion for anyone not living in London.
  - jasoncartwright 3y ago
    There are 12 Ionity chargers in Greater Manchester, plus 18 Tesla ones. I've used both sets. You seem to be confusing home/destination chargers and rapid chargers - which is a common mistake for non-EV drivers to make. Unlike petrol, electricity comes to you.
    - michaelt 3y ago
      > You seem to be confusing home/destination chargers and rapid chargers Well, or they went to https://ionity.eu/en/network/network-status https://ionity.eu/en/network/network-status or https://www.zap-map.com/live/ https://www.zap-map.com/live/ looked at Manchester and it listed only one Ionity charger, "Manchester East".
      - toyg 3y ago
        This.
      - jasoncartwright 3y ago
        Doesn't really matter, but that's one location that contains multiple chargers. Of course, very few people that live in Greater Manchester would use a really fast charger like those there whilst in Greater Manchester. Maybe if you're a taxi driver, or caught short somehow? This is the confusion I was talking about.
        toyg 3y ago
        > that's one location that contains multiple chargers. It's still one location. If I live in Trafford is easily a 45 minute drive, much worse at peak times. > very few people that live in Greater Manchester would use a really fast charger Because obviously we all have driveways and we can leave the car there overnight. Fuck 'em terraces scum. /s
AdamN 3y ago
I wish the EU would do that. Driving in Germany is impossible without one of the charge cards. I really don't get why credit cards aren't mandated to work on all public chargers.
- troupo 3y ago
  EU is doing that as well now: https://www.theverge.com/23806690/eu-ev-fast-charger-60km-law-regulation-requirements https://www.theverge.com/23806690/eu-ev-fast-charger-60km-la... --- start quote --- The regulation also requires that ad-hoc charging payments can be made via cards or contactless devices, without requiring a subscription. That should make it possible to pull over to any charging station from any network and charge your EV without first hunting for the correct app or signing up for a subscription. Operators are required to clearly list prices at their installed recharging points via “electronic means,” including wait times and availability. --- end quote --- It will take time for all chargers to convert though.
averageRoyalty 3y ago
Amusingly in Australia, most car rental companies provide free charging and you can return the car at whatever battery suits. They give you a card to tap, and Tesla Superchargers are probably the most expensive charger you can find.

troupo 3y ago

> Every damn thing needs an app EU is going to require all chargers to just work with credit cards: https://www.theverge.com/23806690/eu-ev-fast-charger-60km-law-regulation-requirements https://www.theverge.com/23806690/eu-ev-fast-charger-60km-la... --- start quote --- he regulation also requires that ad-hoc charging payments can be made via cards or contactless devices, without requiring a subscription. That should make it possible to pull over to any charging station from any network and charge your EV without first hunting for the correct app or signing up for a subscription. Operators are required to clearly list prices at their installed recharging points via “electronic means,” including wait times and availability. --- end quote ---

haspok 3y ago
Wow, this is great news indeed! I never really understood how this was not regulated right from the start. But better late than never...

justinclift 3y ago

> at 85p/KWh at public recharging points. Wow. For rates like that it'd be worth making your own public charger. ;)