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Love the idea. Underwhelmed by the hardware choices. Only two nics, and only one is 2.5Gbe. Wifi6 while 6E now and 7 is soon. What will probably be travel rout

Love the idea. Underwhelmed by the hardware choices. Only two nics, and only one is 2.5Gbe. Wifi6 while 6E now and 7 is soon. What will probably be travel router level.

magicalhippo 3y ago
Really jealous of all those who are annoyed this can't handle their >1Gbps internet connection... I'm in Oslo, capital of Norway, and 500/15 Mbps is the fastest I can get...
- happymellon 3y ago
  I would love 500/15. Here in the UK I'm still stuck with BT who keep sending out flyers and public consultations saying they'll upgrade for about 5 years now, I'm assuming to try and dissuade altnets from coming through and taking away all their customers. They keep silently killing the plan after a year, and replacing with a new one for 2 years time so it never arrives. 50/15, not even that far out of a major town. Fucking BT.
  - BenjiWiebe 3y ago
    Wow, I wish I had 50. 10/3 here in the Midwest USA. :)
  - rjsw 3y ago
    UK altnets are spreading quite fast in areas that OpenReach (BT) hasn't upgraded yet, it is worth checking regularly what is happening in your area. I have 500/500, could have 900/900 for £5 more per month.
- Tor3 3y ago
  That's shocking.. in Oslo? I'm out in the sticks in Norway and I've had 1Gb/1Gb for years. And it actually provides 1Gb too.
  - magicalhippo 3y ago
    One of those cases where being first is a disadvantage. We've got cable, and it's been upgraded some, but because of that there's like zero incentive to get fiber. Meanwhile my buddy is out in the bushes and he got 1G fiber like you a couple of years ago...
- lumb63 3y ago
  What are people doing that their homes need so much bandwidth? My ISP offers Gigabit and I use their cheaper, third-tier, 200 Mbps option, since I cannot conceive of a use for more.
  - themoonisachees 3y ago
    Off-site backups is a huge one. General downloads for the people running *arr software, and corresponding upload for people sharing their Plex libraries. Here in france, I get 5Gb/700Mb for 50€ and there isn't a lower tier at the same ISP. Other ISPs would simply sell me 1Gb/700Mb for the same price, with no lower tier other than aDSL. Not that I'm complaining, but if I'm getting 5Gb, buying a router for 150€ that hits barely 1/5th of that speed (the maximum on wired this board can do is 1Gb, and I don't even have all my devices on 5GHz wifi) isn't exactly a good experience.
    - Dylan16807 3y ago
      I'm pretty sure off-site backups would have zero issues at 200Mbps.
- drewg123 3y ago
  Like the parent, I'm annoyed at just Wifi 6, when 6E is out and 7 is around the corner. However, the feature of 6e (and 7) that I need is the new, larger 6Ghz band for stable performance in a crowded urban environment with hundreds of ISP configured routers all crowding the same few groups of channels on the 5Ghz and 2.4 Ghz bands. For me, 6ghz is far more stable than 5Ghz (or 2.4).
  - magicalhippo 3y ago
    Fair point. Personally I'd rather have the Wifi in a separate device, given that things change relatively often there, and have three RJ45's.
- diffeomorphism 3y ago
  Why internet connection? The more obvious benefit would be for local connections, e.g. to a NAS.
  - magicalhippo 3y ago
    Why would you need a router between your local PC and your NAS though? Just enable the firewall on your NAS if you're worried about that?
    - diffeomorphism 3y ago
      What do firewalls have to do with anything? You have your PC, your laptop, your partner's PC etc. and a NAS. They all connect to the switch/router. Why would you even get a NAS if you only connect it directly to one PC? Then get a DAS or just external drives.
      - magicalhippo 3y ago
        The ports aren't backed by switching hardware, so would have to get bridged in hardware. If you don't want to use it as a router towards the internet, just get a 2.5G switch would likely be more performant and future proof given this only has two RJ45 ports.
teleforce 3y ago
Really excited for the news, but then really dissapointed at the same time. I thought it has several RJ45 and SFP ports, similar specs to Banana Pi R4 based on the provided picture, apparently it is only for illustration purpose [1][2]. Hopefully this will spurs more complete support and drivers for the BPi boards including the R4. [1]Banana Pi BPI-R4: https://wiki.banana-pi.org/Banana_Pi_BPI-R4 https://wiki.banana-pi.org/Banana_Pi_BPI-R4 [2]Banana Pi BPI-R4 Low-cost Router SBC: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36646382 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36646382
- themoonisachees 3y ago
  The picture isn't of the planned board, I'm pretty sure it's just a picture of a banana pi r4. The proposed board has no SFP, for starters.
m463 3y ago
look at the bpi-r3 and bpi-r4 https://www.amazon.com/s?k=banana+pi+bpi-r4 https://www.amazon.com/s?k=banana+pi+bpi-r4 the bpi-r4 even has two 10gb sfp ports
ajb 3y ago
If this one does well, I would expect further developments. Bananapi has the capacity to do lots of board designs, they have a huge backlist; so it's down to the openWRT team to see how many they have the capacity to do with them and support.
deeth_starr_v 3y ago
Agree. I’m running a N5105 w 4x2.5g that was $150 on AliExpress. 2x2.5g is the minimum I would do for a homelab

Love the idea. Underwhelmed by the hardware choices. Only two nics, and only one is 2.5Gbe. Wifi6 while 6E now and 7 is soon. What will probably be travel router level.

magicalhippo 3y ago

Really jealous of all those who are annoyed this can't handle their >1Gbps internet connection... I'm in Oslo, capital of Norway, and 500/15 Mbps is the fastest I can get...

happymellon 3y ago
I would love 500/15. Here in the UK I'm still stuck with BT who keep sending out flyers and public consultations saying they'll upgrade for about 5 years now, I'm assuming to try and dissuade altnets from coming through and taking away all their customers. They keep silently killing the plan after a year, and replacing with a new one for 2 years time so it never arrives. 50/15, not even that far out of a major town. Fucking BT.
- BenjiWiebe 3y ago
  Wow, I wish I had 50. 10/3 here in the Midwest USA. :)
- rjsw 3y ago
  UK altnets are spreading quite fast in areas that OpenReach (BT) hasn't upgraded yet, it is worth checking regularly what is happening in your area. I have 500/500, could have 900/900 for £5 more per month.
Tor3 3y ago
That's shocking.. in Oslo? I'm out in the sticks in Norway and I've had 1Gb/1Gb for years. And it actually provides 1Gb too.
- magicalhippo 3y ago
  One of those cases where being first is a disadvantage. We've got cable, and it's been upgraded some, but because of that there's like zero incentive to get fiber. Meanwhile my buddy is out in the bushes and he got 1G fiber like you a couple of years ago...
lumb63 3y ago
What are people doing that their homes need so much bandwidth? My ISP offers Gigabit and I use their cheaper, third-tier, 200 Mbps option, since I cannot conceive of a use for more.
- themoonisachees 3y ago
  Off-site backups is a huge one. General downloads for the people running *arr software, and corresponding upload for people sharing their Plex libraries. Here in france, I get 5Gb/700Mb for 50€ and there isn't a lower tier at the same ISP. Other ISPs would simply sell me 1Gb/700Mb for the same price, with no lower tier other than aDSL. Not that I'm complaining, but if I'm getting 5Gb, buying a router for 150€ that hits barely 1/5th of that speed (the maximum on wired this board can do is 1Gb, and I don't even have all my devices on 5GHz wifi) isn't exactly a good experience.
  - Dylan16807 3y ago
    I'm pretty sure off-site backups would have zero issues at 200Mbps.
drewg123 3y ago
Like the parent, I'm annoyed at just Wifi 6, when 6E is out and 7 is around the corner. However, the feature of 6e (and 7) that I need is the new, larger 6Ghz band for stable performance in a crowded urban environment with hundreds of ISP configured routers all crowding the same few groups of channels on the 5Ghz and 2.4 Ghz bands. For me, 6ghz is far more stable than 5Ghz (or 2.4).
- magicalhippo 3y ago
  Fair point. Personally I'd rather have the Wifi in a separate device, given that things change relatively often there, and have three RJ45's.
diffeomorphism 3y ago
Why internet connection? The more obvious benefit would be for local connections, e.g. to a NAS.
- magicalhippo 3y ago
  Why would you need a router between your local PC and your NAS though? Just enable the firewall on your NAS if you're worried about that?
  - diffeomorphism 3y ago
    What do firewalls have to do with anything? You have your PC, your laptop, your partner's PC etc. and a NAS. They all connect to the switch/router. Why would you even get a NAS if you only connect it directly to one PC? Then get a DAS or just external drives.
    - magicalhippo 3y ago
      The ports aren't backed by switching hardware, so would have to get bridged in hardware. If you don't want to use it as a router towards the internet, just get a 2.5G switch would likely be more performant and future proof given this only has two RJ45 ports.

teleforce 3y ago

Really excited for the news, but then really dissapointed at the same time. I thought it has several RJ45 and SFP ports, similar specs to Banana Pi R4 based on the provided picture, apparently it is only for illustration purpose [1][2]. Hopefully this will spurs more complete support and drivers for the BPi boards including the R4. [1]Banana Pi BPI-R4: https://wiki.banana-pi.org/Banana_Pi_BPI-R4 https://wiki.banana-pi.org/Banana_Pi_BPI-R4 [2]Banana Pi BPI-R4 Low-cost Router SBC: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36646382 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36646382

themoonisachees 3y ago
The picture isn't of the planned board, I'm pretty sure it's just a picture of a banana pi r4. The proposed board has no SFP, for starters.

m463 3y ago

look at the bpi-r3 and bpi-r4 https://www.amazon.com/s?k=banana+pi+bpi-r4 https://www.amazon.com/s?k=banana+pi+bpi-r4 the bpi-r4 even has two 10gb sfp ports

ajb 3y ago

If this one does well, I would expect further developments. Bananapi has the capacity to do lots of board designs, they have a huge backlist; so it's down to the openWRT team to see how many they have the capacity to do with them and support.

deeth_starr_v 3y ago

Agree. I’m running a N5105 w 4x2.5g that was $150 on AliExpress. 2x2.5g is the minimum I would do for a homelab