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I want to start my own micronation the size of Singapore (around 700 sq. Km). What should I look out for? Any great resources to learn about? Best/Easiest wa

by max_ 3y ago

I want to start my own micronation the size of Singapore (around 700 sq. Km). What should I look out for? Any great resources to learn about? Best/Easiest way to make this feasible?

jenadine 3y ago
I want to start my own macronation the size of the whole planet. What should I look out for?
gnopgnip 3y ago
What is the difference between a micronation and a ship in international waters with no flag?
petesergeant 3y ago
Brother, you will not believe your luck, there is still unclaimed land! It's a little warm in the summer though https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bir_Tawil https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bir_Tawil
Nursie 3y ago
1. Raise an army. 2. Take the land from its existing inhabitants. 3. Attempt to paint this action in the light of sovereignty rather than terrorism or just plain banditry. 4. Defend the land against the existing nation state(s) wishing to reclaim it. 5. Attempt to get recognition from other nations. Prepare for steps 4 and 5 to take decades.
- nirimda 3y ago
  Not just the existing nation states who want to reclaim the land, but also anyone else. Maybe Russia will recognise you for free, but no one else will. They will want something out of it. And they will have to believe it is cheaper to get it by recognising you than by defeating you. For instance, going back to the "about the size of Singapore" example, OP might try to find a nice perch next to some critical strait, and sink any vessel that passes through which is registered in a country that doesn't recognise them. But if OP gets too good at this, then the US Navy will be upset and start shooting their weaponry at OP. If OP manages to sink a few of USN's vessels, it's possible USN will say "well we will stop shooting you if you let through our vessels", but I wouldn't hold my breath. It's probably just cheaper and easier to marry into a royal family from some small country that whose royals still have a political power, like Brunei or Liechtenstein, then secretly start a secret murdering spree until your newborn is the only royal left and they offer to make you regent, then launch a self-coup against your own six month old.
  - max_ 3y ago
    Well, that got very dark. I am not that kind of vibe. I was wondering if you could just legitimately purchase some land from a country will to sell, then establish sovereignty?
IshKebab 3y ago
We'll, nations are created by military power. Do you have an army?
- rcxdude 3y ago
  States are created by military/policing power. Nations are created by people with a common identity. Important distinction, even if nation-states are the most common.
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greenie_beans 3y ago
start a SAAS
rdl 3y ago
Start with finding hundreds/thousands/hundreds of thousands of people who will follow you to arbitrary places and adventures. I'm sure Elon Musk could do something; Taylor Swift could too. Once you have a large enough following for some reason (and ideally a fairly committed one; IDK if "follows someone on YouTube, like MrBeast" is enough -- has to be more like "my favorite musician/artist" or "business idol" or something), the rest is comparatively easy. You could pay people for all the stuff. Basically the five routes today are: 1) Network State (stuff less than a state at start, ground up) 2) Negotiating with an existing state (free trade zone with more autonomy) 3) Seasteading (mostly an engineering and capital problem) 4) Space (also an engineering and capital problem) 5) Military conquest. Over the past ~70 years the last option didn't really exist, but increasingly it probably could work in some very specific locations, especially if you can find a fig leaf of "this local guy actually needs to be in power, not the guy in power now".

by max_ 3y ago

I want to start my own micronation the size of Singapore (around 700 sq. Km). What should I look out for? Any great resources to learn about? Best/Easiest way to make this feasible?

jenadine 3y ago

I want to start my own macronation the size of the whole planet. What should I look out for?

gnopgnip 3y ago

What is the difference between a micronation and a ship in international waters with no flag?

petesergeant 3y ago

Brother, you will not believe your luck, there is still unclaimed land! It's a little warm in the summer though https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bir_Tawil https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bir_Tawil

Nursie 3y ago

1. Raise an army. 2. Take the land from its existing inhabitants. 3. Attempt to paint this action in the light of sovereignty rather than terrorism or just plain banditry. 4. Defend the land against the existing nation state(s) wishing to reclaim it. 5. Attempt to get recognition from other nations. Prepare for steps 4 and 5 to take decades.

nirimda 3y ago
Not just the existing nation states who want to reclaim the land, but also anyone else. Maybe Russia will recognise you for free, but no one else will. They will want something out of it. And they will have to believe it is cheaper to get it by recognising you than by defeating you. For instance, going back to the "about the size of Singapore" example, OP might try to find a nice perch next to some critical strait, and sink any vessel that passes through which is registered in a country that doesn't recognise them. But if OP gets too good at this, then the US Navy will be upset and start shooting their weaponry at OP. If OP manages to sink a few of USN's vessels, it's possible USN will say "well we will stop shooting you if you let through our vessels", but I wouldn't hold my breath. It's probably just cheaper and easier to marry into a royal family from some small country that whose royals still have a political power, like Brunei or Liechtenstein, then secretly start a secret murdering spree until your newborn is the only royal left and they offer to make you regent, then launch a self-coup against your own six month old.
- max_ 3y ago
  Well, that got very dark. I am not that kind of vibe. I was wondering if you could just legitimately purchase some land from a country will to sell, then establish sovereignty?

IshKebab 3y ago

We'll, nations are created by military power. Do you have an army?

rcxdude 3y ago
States are created by military/policing power. Nations are created by people with a common identity. Important distinction, even if nation-states are the most common.

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greenie_beans 3y ago

start a SAAS

rdl 3y ago

Start with finding hundreds/thousands/hundreds of thousands of people who will follow you to arbitrary places and adventures. I'm sure Elon Musk could do something; Taylor Swift could too. Once you have a large enough following for some reason (and ideally a fairly committed one; IDK if "follows someone on YouTube, like MrBeast" is enough -- has to be more like "my favorite musician/artist" or "business idol" or something), the rest is comparatively easy. You could pay people for all the stuff. Basically the five routes today are: 1) Network State (stuff less than a state at start, ground up) 2) Negotiating with an existing state (free trade zone with more autonomy) 3) Seasteading (mostly an engineering and capital problem) 4) Space (also an engineering and capital problem) 5) Military conquest. Over the past ~70 years the last option didn't really exist, but increasingly it probably could work in some very specific locations, especially if you can find a fig leaf of "this local guy actually needs to be in power, not the guy in power now".