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This is amazing video for making a legal case against Cloudflare. Cloudflare took a stupid, unnecessary risk here by trying to put this on performance when the
by aaomidi 3y ago
This is amazing video for making a legal case against Cloudflare.
Cloudflare took a stupid, unnecessary risk here by trying to put this on performance when they haven't documented it.
- whalesalad 3y agoWhat case? At will employment is a thing. You can terminate people with absolutely no reason if you want, most of the time.
- virtuous_sloth 3y agoAmerica is a pretend country with pretend rights.
- bsder 3y agoIn California, you sometimes have to announce layoffs. This strengthens a class action lawsuit that this is a layoff and not a termination for performance. There will be penalties associated with that. You can simply say "We are terminating your employment." However, that generally means that you cannot demand back relocation, bonuses, stocks, etc. and you're going to have to cough up equivalent severance to everybody else--otherwise you're staring at a discrimination lawsuit.
- etchalon 3y agoThere are a host of laws regarding termination, even in at will states, especially for companies of Cloudflare's size. Giving an invalid reason that is unsupported by facts is generally a strong place for a lawyer to assert "wrongful termination" and invoke those laws.
- NicoJuicy 3y agoThat's a false accusation. They gave a reason: performance and the girl mentioned to have 0 sales + 3 opportunities. I wouldn't bet a penny on that lawsuit to win.
- aaomidi 3y agoThen she should’ve had that communicated to her earlier.
- NicoJuicy 3y agoWe don't know specifics. If she's doing all the things she should do ( as she mentions), but lacks technical knowledge for a technical product. Than if she asks feedback, she'll get points for the effort. But concerning technical knowledge, there's not much to do in a short period to get an employee profitable in a lot of cases. Definitely with a product like Cloudflare. And saying you lack basic knowledge, is very hard to do/fix. Because the knowledge is not solely Cloudflare related. It's development, website, networking, ... There's a difficult gray area on what training someone needs for technical things. Even if the employee is motivated. They won't be profitable within a year. Where to start? Where does it end?
- etchalon 3y agoThey gave a reason. That doesn't mean the facts supported that reason. The employee didn't believe they did. Not closing a deal in your first month of sales is not exactly unheard of or even uncommon. Either way, WT lawsuits don't generally "win or lose". They settle.
- NicoJuicy 3y agoThe facts support the reason ( 0 sales), although there are nuances ( timeframe - 4,5 months) There's also a lot of missing context. - what happened in those 3 opportunities that she tried to close a deal - perhaps she's missing a technical background to actually close a deal, since Cloudflare is a very technical product No one from us knows the details, so it's speculation. 4,5 months is still a bit fast though. Getting a new employee up to speed takes 6 months in a lot of cases. But mostly you know it sooner when it wouldn't work out.
- etchalon 3y agoYou went from "the facts supported the reason" to "we don't have all the facts necessary to know if the facts supported the reason." to "from the facts we know, the reason seems sus."
- mangosteenjuice 3y agoYeah, you can terminate them with absolutely no reason, and then get sued. Read up on how employment laws actually work. There are all sorts of factors you aren't considering, which play into the legal realm at hand here. Factors like employee count. Yes, even in at-will states. You think that major corporations do PIPs and pay severances out of kindness?
- tracker1 3y agoRules for layoffs vary greatly from state to state.
- blitzar 3y ago> At will employment is a thing. You can terminate people with absolutely no reason if you want, most of the time. In which case fire them with no reason. If however you waive that choice and offer a specific reason then you probably should make the chosen reason true unless you want to be sued for wrongful dismissal.
- epolanski 3y agoYou see? Damn if you do, damn if you don't. It's then better to just fire and give no motivation whatsoever.
- aaomidi 3y agoExcept this reason was most likely a fabrication due to the fact that they never communicated performance issues in the past. Cloudflare lied. It’s plain and simple.
- epolanski 3y agoOr maybe they did and she didn't tell in the TikToks? Don't believe everything you see on the internet. Be smarter than that, form opinions based on as many facts as possible, not only partial, biased, information.
- aaomidi 3y agoI have more reason to believe this person than I do cloudflare.
- epolanski 3y agoPractice being skeptical.
- aaomidi 3y agoYou should probably do the same thing. Given the information, and given what I know about Cloudflare’s internals and how they have behaved, and given how Matthew Prince has been in the past. It is unreasonable to think Cloudflare is in the right here.
- op00to 3y agoIf you give a reason, it must be true. Otherwise it opens you up to "well, what was the real reason then?"
- cvak 3y agoTo me it sounds like excelent video for making a legal case againts Britanny, I'd be very upset if someone would be secretly recording a meeting with me as a HR person. Guess that depends on a state, but good luck finding another corporate job.
- A_D_E_P_T 3y agoShe's in Georgia, and Georgia, like most states, is a "one-party consent" state for purposes of making audio recordings of conversations. They'd have no case at all.
- yreg 3y agoSo you are free to record work meetings and post them on TikTok?
- cheeselip420 3y agoLegally, yes. But she could experience some consequences if future employers don't feel great about this.
- yreg 3y agoWhat about NDAs? What hashtag should I follow to watch more US corp internal meetings?
- westpfelia 3y agoHow did she break an NDA with this video? You are right you cant just record and out out there just ANY corporate material. But you getting fired? This aint it.
- cvak 3y agoMaking them? Sure. Sharing them on chinese owned social network? I'd be very very surprised.