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There's been a few of those for sourcehut ... makes you wonder wth is going on ... In one of the previous ones, they said there was high suspicion it related t

There's been a few of those for sourcehut ... makes you wonder wth is going on ... In one of the previous ones, they said there was high suspicion it related to 'hatred against a transgender developer in the company' or something like that. Like, who the hell targets a "company" because of an employee who works there you don't like ...

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scandox 3y ago
I have a paid account on Sourcehut and I like that it is independent. But...yeah there's a kind of "wife’s sister’s puppy fell into the strawberry patch" vibe to a lot of their official communications.
- silisili 3y ago
  Can you explain what you mean by that?
  - tangonov 3y ago
    I think what they are saying is that they're being too unreliable/unprofessional. Like "whoops, my grandpa spilled is coffee on the server so we're down again." This is not the vibe that I'm getting from their messaging and this is the first time in my 2ish years of paying that I've ever felt impacted.
- lemper 3y ago
  bro, can you speak more clearly? especially this one -> "wife’s sister’s puppy fell into the strawberry patch".
  - dijit 3y ago
    Thats the point, the parent is talking about complex and long-winded connections.
- vips7L 3y ago
  How is it independent? It’s just another company.
  - junon 3y ago
    Sourcehut being a company is like calling a farmer's market stand a corporation.
    - vips7L 3y ago
      Looks like a duck, swims like a duck…
      - junon 3y ago
        What's your point? It's mainly drew working on a fully OSS project that he happens to host and accept money for doing. Is your beef with people making money for their work? Or with Megacorps? Because sourcehut isn't one, by a longshot.
      - steve_rambo 3y ago
        They have a history of doing things with negative financial consequences just to make a point on some sociopolitical issue. I can't remember a single "just another company" off the top of my head that conducts business in this way.
        porkbeer 3y ago
        Bingo. While I might afree with some of their points, it seems a poor way to convey them.
    - WhyNotHugo 3y ago
      It's still a company. Just because it's a company that behaves ethically doesn't make it less of a company. It's just a very odd one.
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- WhyNotHugo 3y ago
  Their status page was a lot more professional. But the third party hosting provider got DDOS'd as well.
sjfjsjdjwvwvc 3y ago
People get weirdly upset about that kind of stuff so it would not surprise me tbh. Too many bored people with too much time on their hands and deeply invested in some kind of “culture war”
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tourmalinetaco 3y ago
Considering Drew’s history with being an unrepentant antagonist, I feel it’s far more likely that he’s the target rather than some random employee.
- executesorder66 3y ago
  Yeah, especially considering that it seems like his personal website is also being DDOS'd. (or maybe it just runs on the same infra)
  - shiomiru 3y ago
    Sourcehut has a static site hosting service, similar to GH pages. I would be surprised if his blog weren't hosted on it.
    - xigoi 3y ago
      Pretty sure the blog existed long before SourceHut.
      - progval 3y ago
        And the NS records for his blog are ns1.sr.ht. and ns2.sr.ht. so he probably moved his blog to SourceHut Pages since.
- eesmith 3y ago
  I wondered about Drew's "antagonism" last year when he claimed that Google was DDoS'ing Sourcehut, which is why sr.ht blacklisted the Go module mirror; see https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34310674 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34310674 . I concluded he was right after I read about ongoing problems with the GMP project, at https://gmplib.org/ https://gmplib.org/ : "The GMP servers has been under serious load due to a barrage of clone requests from Microsoft/Github. ... In effect, Microsoft's computer cloud performed a DDoS attack on the GMP servers. ... Our servers are fully available again, but that's the result of us adding all participating Microsoft network ranges to our firewall. We understand that we are far from the first project to take such measures against Github." Also, you can't build projects like Sourcehut by being only an antagonist, and I can think of some pretty antagonistic CEOs of billion dollar companies.
kevingadd 3y ago
Culture war stuff is a pretty common cause of low-to-mid-level technical griefing. Nobody's going to take down AWS over it but smaller websites and services? Absolutely.
mschuster91 3y ago
> Like, who the hell targets a "company" because of an employee who works there you don't like ... Too many. The internet hivemob is dangerous. Hell here in Germany we have a pretty nasty cyberbullying case around former Youtuber "Drachenlord" - his hater mob goes as far as to terrorize hotels where he's stayed (he lost his home as a consequence, it's utterly utterly insane).
viraptor 3y ago
Unfortunately, too many. If you turn on dead comments on HN, you'll find that sentiment pretty quickly on many posts from transgender people. And unfortunately some of those commenters are problematic enough, that they organise their own social circles of hate. We can't tell one way or another from outside in this case, but don't discount this as too unlikely.
bArray 3y ago
> In one of the previous ones, they said there was high suspicion it related to 'hatred against a transgender developer in the company' or something like that. It's a lot of resource to expend for a personal vendetta. Transgender people work in a lot of places, my next question would be "why this one?". My guess would be that there is something that pays for this financially. It could be that it's a specific repository on Sourcehut that hosts a competitor, for example. Of course it's all speculation.
- neurostimulant 3y ago
  IIRC $100 can buy you 24h of DDoS service. Some people spent way more than that for personal vendetta.
- hatenberg 3y ago
  It’s not personal in the same way Nazis organizing hate against Jews is not personal. Trans has become the new focus chosen out group of the culture war and we’ve had to deal with this fascist ideology shit for a while now. Here’s a great real would descent into the insanity of these people, fueled by the pandemic. After reading it, there’s little doubt that this bullshit is infectious https://www.reddit.com/r/singapore/comments/p6ovxr/an_indepth_and_interesting_analysis_of_benjamin/ https://www.reddit.com/r/singapore/comments/p6ovxr/an_indept...
  - bArray 3y ago
    > It’s not personal in the same way Nazis organizing hate against Jews is not personal. I don't think such a comparison is useful here. That said, there is a clear difference between group and individually focussed hate. For some reason Sourcehut is clearly being singled out. > Trans has become the new focus chosen out group of the culture war and we’ve had to deal with this fascist ideology shit for a while now. I don't think it is a strictly fascist ideology at all. I see people on both the left and right with a range of opinions on this subject. You'll find the majority of people are resistant to any form of change, whether rightfully or wrongly. > After reading it, there’s little doubt that this bullshit is infectious https://www.reddit.com/r/singapore/comments/p6ovxr/an_indept https://www.reddit.com/r/singapore/comments/p6ovxr/an_indept... It's difficult to know who is the insane one there, the person who is committed or the person who dives so deeply into another person's life. I think it would generally be a mistake to assume that this attack is based on the gender of a single employee at Sourcehut. To me it would be just as likely to be something they host, or something they refuse to host.
angra_mainyu 3y ago
> Like, who the hell targets a "company" because of an employee who works there you don't like I've seen plenty of witch hunts of the sort the past years in tech, including attacking or boycotting the company due to an individual (usually due to them having conservative views). That said, I'm inclined to think this is a form of "pay us or we keep on ddos-ing".
hatenberg 3y ago
Gamers.
RockRobotRock 3y ago
>Like, who the hell targets a "company" because of an employee who works there you don't like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donglegate https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donglegate

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scandox 3y ago

I have a paid account on Sourcehut and I like that it is independent. But...yeah there's a kind of "wife’s sister’s puppy fell into the strawberry patch" vibe to a lot of their official communications.

silisili 3y ago
Can you explain what you mean by that?
- tangonov 3y ago
  I think what they are saying is that they're being too unreliable/unprofessional. Like "whoops, my grandpa spilled is coffee on the server so we're down again." This is not the vibe that I'm getting from their messaging and this is the first time in my 2ish years of paying that I've ever felt impacted.
lemper 3y ago
bro, can you speak more clearly? especially this one -> "wife’s sister’s puppy fell into the strawberry patch".
- dijit 3y ago
  Thats the point, the parent is talking about complex and long-winded connections.
vips7L 3y ago
How is it independent? It’s just another company.
- junon 3y ago
  Sourcehut being a company is like calling a farmer's market stand a corporation.
  - vips7L 3y ago
    Looks like a duck, swims like a duck…
    - junon 3y ago
      What's your point? It's mainly drew working on a fully OSS project that he happens to host and accept money for doing. Is your beef with people making money for their work? Or with Megacorps? Because sourcehut isn't one, by a longshot.
    - steve_rambo 3y ago
      They have a history of doing things with negative financial consequences just to make a point on some sociopolitical issue. I can't remember a single "just another company" off the top of my head that conducts business in this way.
      - porkbeer 3y ago
        Bingo. While I might afree with some of their points, it seems a poor way to convey them.
  - WhyNotHugo 3y ago
    It's still a company. Just because it's a company that behaves ethically doesn't make it less of a company. It's just a very odd one.
    - ksjskskskkk 3y ago
WhyNotHugo 3y ago
Their status page was a lot more professional. But the third party hosting provider got DDOS'd as well.

sjfjsjdjwvwvc 3y ago

People get weirdly upset about that kind of stuff so it would not surprise me tbh. Too many bored people with too much time on their hands and deeply invested in some kind of “culture war”

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tourmalinetaco 3y ago

Considering Drew’s history with being an unrepentant antagonist, I feel it’s far more likely that he’s the target rather than some random employee.

executesorder66 3y ago
Yeah, especially considering that it seems like his personal website is also being DDOS'd. (or maybe it just runs on the same infra)
- shiomiru 3y ago
  Sourcehut has a static site hosting service, similar to GH pages. I would be surprised if his blog weren't hosted on it.
  - xigoi 3y ago
    Pretty sure the blog existed long before SourceHut.
    - progval 3y ago
      And the NS records for his blog are ns1.sr.ht. and ns2.sr.ht. so he probably moved his blog to SourceHut Pages since.
eesmith 3y ago
I wondered about Drew's "antagonism" last year when he claimed that Google was DDoS'ing Sourcehut, which is why sr.ht blacklisted the Go module mirror; see https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34310674 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34310674 . I concluded he was right after I read about ongoing problems with the GMP project, at https://gmplib.org/ https://gmplib.org/ : "The GMP servers has been under serious load due to a barrage of clone requests from Microsoft/Github. ... In effect, Microsoft's computer cloud performed a DDoS attack on the GMP servers. ... Our servers are fully available again, but that's the result of us adding all participating Microsoft network ranges to our firewall. We understand that we are far from the first project to take such measures against Github." Also, you can't build projects like Sourcehut by being only an antagonist, and I can think of some pretty antagonistic CEOs of billion dollar companies.

kevingadd 3y ago

Culture war stuff is a pretty common cause of low-to-mid-level technical griefing. Nobody's going to take down AWS over it but smaller websites and services? Absolutely.

mschuster91 3y ago

> Like, who the hell targets a "company" because of an employee who works there you don't like ... Too many. The internet hivemob is dangerous. Hell here in Germany we have a pretty nasty cyberbullying case around former Youtuber "Drachenlord" - his hater mob goes as far as to terrorize hotels where he's stayed (he lost his home as a consequence, it's utterly utterly insane).

viraptor 3y ago

Unfortunately, too many. If you turn on dead comments on HN, you'll find that sentiment pretty quickly on many posts from transgender people. And unfortunately some of those commenters are problematic enough, that they organise their own social circles of hate. We can't tell one way or another from outside in this case, but don't discount this as too unlikely.

bArray 3y ago

> In one of the previous ones, they said there was high suspicion it related to 'hatred against a transgender developer in the company' or something like that. It's a lot of resource to expend for a personal vendetta. Transgender people work in a lot of places, my next question would be "why this one?". My guess would be that there is something that pays for this financially. It could be that it's a specific repository on Sourcehut that hosts a competitor, for example. Of course it's all speculation.

neurostimulant 3y ago
IIRC $100 can buy you 24h of DDoS service. Some people spent way more than that for personal vendetta.
hatenberg 3y ago
It’s not personal in the same way Nazis organizing hate against Jews is not personal. Trans has become the new focus chosen out group of the culture war and we’ve had to deal with this fascist ideology shit for a while now. Here’s a great real would descent into the insanity of these people, fueled by the pandemic. After reading it, there’s little doubt that this bullshit is infectious https://www.reddit.com/r/singapore/comments/p6ovxr/an_indepth_and_interesting_analysis_of_benjamin/ https://www.reddit.com/r/singapore/comments/p6ovxr/an_indept...
- bArray 3y ago
  > It’s not personal in the same way Nazis organizing hate against Jews is not personal. I don't think such a comparison is useful here. That said, there is a clear difference between group and individually focussed hate. For some reason Sourcehut is clearly being singled out. > Trans has become the new focus chosen out group of the culture war and we’ve had to deal with this fascist ideology shit for a while now. I don't think it is a strictly fascist ideology at all. I see people on both the left and right with a range of opinions on this subject. You'll find the majority of people are resistant to any form of change, whether rightfully or wrongly. > After reading it, there’s little doubt that this bullshit is infectious https://www.reddit.com/r/singapore/comments/p6ovxr/an_indept https://www.reddit.com/r/singapore/comments/p6ovxr/an_indept... It's difficult to know who is the insane one there, the person who is committed or the person who dives so deeply into another person's life. I think it would generally be a mistake to assume that this attack is based on the gender of a single employee at Sourcehut. To me it would be just as likely to be something they host, or something they refuse to host.

angra_mainyu 3y ago

> Like, who the hell targets a "company" because of an employee who works there you don't like I've seen plenty of witch hunts of the sort the past years in tech, including attacking or boycotting the company due to an individual (usually due to them having conservative views). That said, I'm inclined to think this is a form of "pay us or we keep on ddos-ing".

hatenberg 3y ago

Gamers.

RockRobotRock 3y ago

>Like, who the hell targets a "company" because of an employee who works there you don't like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donglegate https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donglegate