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> retention of senior employees You mean the self-propelled code production units that cost more than the other self-propelled code production units? Why would
by CommieBobDole 3y ago
> retention of senior employees
You mean the self-propelled code production units that cost more than the other self-propelled code production units? Why would we want to retain those?
- hot_gril 3y agoThe senior employees they want to retain are leaders.
- grepfru_it 3y agoAnd they will pay them leadership salaries which enables them to afford privatized daycare
- ChainOfFools 3y agoeither you've never had kids, or you had the incrediblly good fortune to have found them a daycare that required little or no departure from your normal work commute. Or you had a stay-at-home nanny or similar arrangement, which I would put up there in the incredibly good fortune category.
- grepfru_it 3y agoMy daycare was 20 minutes off-route which increased to 45 minutes off-route when we moved. However I was a senior leader that was paid the salary to lead high stakes projects. YMMV
- hot_gril 3y agoSo you spent a total of 90 minutes extra each day going to/from daycare. It sounds like the daycare should've been closer. At your pay rate, how much money was that time worth monthly?
- ChainOfFools 3y agoI didn't understand the point of OP's own goal either. seems pretty unlikely that someone who lived that experience as described would not notice the obviously bad tradeoff they are making, and that this would hardly be something to be (apparently) proud of. But he got a chance to portray himself as a Senior Somebody making Important Decisions, so there's that. All the people I know, whose circumstances I don't share except by second-order family relations, and who are indeed well paid senior engineers, actually do have live-in nannies or au pairs. Which is why I mentioned that possibility.
- grepfru_it 3y ago>I didn’t understand the point of OP’s own goal >circumstances I don’t share You got my viewpoint and I can clarify if you would like. My goal was to ensure the best upraising of my child. This includes social interaction, so a nanny was a nonstarter. So the 20 minute commute was considered an acceptable trade off (just as others may consider the lack of social interaction in selecting a nanny). When we purchased a new home we factored in the additional 50 minute loss in time and once again put our childrens consideration over our own. When you are in a leadership position and have to consider the real fact of working over 40 hours a week, those benefits or lack thereof become a factor you (and thus the company) must consider. I hope this helps you understand, especially one day in the future when you are in this position!
- ChainOfFools 3y agoI don't share their circumstances because they're in finance whereas I'm the owner of a consulting business specializing in the facilitation of remote work for other companies (including some of theirs). So although my calendar is marked busy for months out I'm pretty free to determine what 'busy' means, and can spend time with my kids under terms I thus see fit. Still, daycare is indeed important for social development, commuting is not, and dead time in the car is a waste of both time and money. On that note, per the other comment, the family I'm referring to all live in midtown manhattan where nannies and au pairs are the norm, and socialization amongst such families comes with the ecosystem. I assume people who have nannies in other built-up regions operate the same way, but maybe your mileage does vary.
- gambiting 3y agoYou know this saying that all money in the world is worth less than your own time? On-prem daycare gives you more of your time back(and ultimately - more time with your kids). Being paid even some crazy salary does not make up for the fact that with almost any other childcare option you have to walk/drive the kids there before work and then pick them up later. It's not a matter of affording daycare is my point.
- hot_gril 3y agoIt's a bigger issue in the South Bay because these tech offices are in huge office-only zones that take a long time to get in or out of. Back when I worked there, I was so glad lunch was on-prem for the same reason, and would've been glad even if I had to pay for it. Kinda creepy how they're like company towns, though.
- jonathankoren 3y agoDaycare is literally the monthly cost of a two bedroom apartment.
- grepfru_it 3y agoMy daycare cost $1300 at 6 months and $800 at 4 years. A two bedroom apartment around here starts at $2200 (less if you live in different parts of town, but the daycare costs go down accordingly). In our story, we were not able to get into the "elite" daycare that all the who's who of my city went to. That daycare cost $1500 - $1100 respectively. We ended up going to our daycare out of necessity which just turned out to be a really really good daycare, so we got lucky. But the point is the extra $2200/mo, as you noted, was part of my salary
- eigen 3y agocurrently on penninsula it is significantly more expensive than that. Foster City Odyssey Preschool for toddlers is $2100 for school day, plus $500 extended day until 6pm. https://www.odysseypreschool.com/foster-city-admissions https://www.odysseypreschool.com/foster-city-admissions Pennisula Jewish is $3125 for toddlers until 5:30pm https://pjcc.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/07/PJCC-Preschool-Rate-Sheet-2023-24-rev-June-23.pdf https://pjcc.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/07/PJCC-Preschool-R...
- pokstad 3y agoGenerally the code production units that cost more are valued more.
- reactordev 3y agoYou should tell big blue that, see how that goes over.
- pokstad 3y agoWho is big blue?
- steve_mcdougall 3y ago[dead]
- ChainOfFools 3y ago> what is big blue I was hoping for flying cars, but as far as signs I am living in the future go, this will have to do
- x86_64Ubuntu 3y agoIBM
- kevindamm 3y agoThey're probably referring to IBM. It's an old term, but it checks out.
- jyunwai 3y agoThe term did come back a bit in 2014 with the great television series "Halt and Catch Fire." The metonymy of "Big Blue" was regularly used in the series (especially in the pilot) to describe IBM as a huge entity that a forcefully-made new division of a smaller company was competing against, to develop a personal computer in the 1980s. This scene in the pilot about a salesman trying to convince another company's executives to choose his products over IBM's describes the feeling behind the term very well: https://youtube.com/watch?v=XOR8mk0tLpc&t=65 https://youtube.com/watch?v=XOR8mk0tLpc&t=65
- tux3 3y agoThe best ones are the first to propel themselves away when it gets bad: they have options
- janalsncm 3y agoAll things being equal, yes. But all things are not equal. Mid 20s single with no kids is not the same as mid 40s married with kids.
- brk 3y agoGenerally speaking, I would think senior employees would have less need for daycare.
- patch_cable 3y agoWhy is that?
- wlesieutre 3y agoBecause they're older and on average so are their children
- makeitdouble 3y ago"senior" in our field has lost any of the original age related meaning. You'll see senior engineers aged 24 in many companies.
- Alupis 3y ago> senior engineers aged 24 in many companies The very concept of this is so absurd as to be entirely ridiculous. Title inflation at it's finest. To think a person can have enough real-world experience to become "senior" in any field within 3-4 years is absolute insanity. I do suspect if I ran into a 24 year old that called themself a "senior engineer" with a straight face, I'd likely burst out laughing...
- jeffbee 3y agoAll it means is the individual has any amount of experience. It's OK if you didn't know that, but go ahead and absorb it now. It is not weird or unique to software. People on other engineering career paths, like mechanical engineers, will also be called "senior engineer" after a few years on the job, to distinguish them from inexperienced ones.
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