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Interesting idea. Could there be a market for pre-AI era content? Or maybe it would be a combination of pre-AI content plus some extra barriers to entry for new

Interesting idea. Could there be a market for pre-AI era content? Or maybe it would be a combination of pre-AI content plus some extra barriers to entry for newer content that would increase the likelihood the content was generated by real people?

autoexec 3y ago
> Could there be a market for pre-AI era content? Yes, but largely it'll be people who don't want to train their AIs on garbage produced by other AIs
pavel_lishin 3y ago
> Could there be a market for pre-AI era content? Like the market for pre-1940s iron resting at the bottom of seas and oceans, unsullied by atmospheric nuclear bomb testing.
- tempest_ 3y ago
  That was the first thing that came to mind for me as well
- volkk 3y ago
  the problem is that data tends to become less useful/relevant over time as opposed to iron that is still iron and fulfills the same purpose
  - Moru 3y ago
    Well, the AI generated data is only as usefull as the data it's based upon så no real difference there.
bluefirebrand 3y ago
I'm in the camp where I want AI and automation to free people from drudgery in the hope that it will encourage the biggest HUMAN artwork renaissance ever in history. I don't want AI to be at the forefront of all new media and artwork. That's a terrible outcome to me. And honestly there's already too much "content" in the world and being produced every day, and it seems like every time we step further up the "content is easier to produce and deliver" ladder, it actually gets way more difficult to find much of value, and also more difficult for smaller artists to find an audience. We see this on Steam where there are thousands of new game releases every week. You only ever hear of one or two. And it's almost never surprising which ones you hear about. Rarely you get an indie sensation out of nowhere, but that only usually happens when a big streamer showcases it. Speaking of streamers, it's hard to find quality small streamers too. Twitch and YouTube are saturated with streams to watch but everyone gravitates to the biggest ones because there's just too much to see. Everything is drowning in a sea of (mostly mediocre, honestly) content already, AI is going to make this problem much worse. At least with human generated media, it's a person pursuing their dreams. Those thousands of games per week might not get noticed, but the person who made one of them might launch a career off their indie steam releases and eventually lead a team that makes the next Baldur's Gate 3 (substitute with whatever popular game you like) I can't imagine the same with AI. Or actually, I can imagine much worse. The AI that generates 1000 games eventually gets bought by a company to replace half their staff and now a bunch of people are out of work and have a much harder uphill battle to pursue their dreams (assuming that working on games at that company was their dream) I don't know. I am having a hard time seeing a better society growing out of the current AI boom.
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- chongli 3y ago
  The AI that generates 1000 games eventually gets bought by a company That seems like only a temporary phenomenon. If we've got AI that can generate any games that people actually want to play then we don't need game companies at all. In the long run I don't see any company being able to build a moat around AI. It's a cat-and-mouse game at best!
  - willcipriano 3y ago
    > In the long run I don't see any company being able to build a moat around AI Why do you think they are screaming about "the dangers of AI"? So they can regulate it and gain a moat via regulatory capture.
    - klyrs 3y ago
      >> If we've got AI that can generate any games that people actually want to play then we don't need game companies at all. > Why do you think they are screaming about "the dangers of AI"? Perhaps it's those of us who enjoy making games or are otherwise invested in producing content that are concerned about humanity being reduced to braindead consumers of the neverending LLM sludge, who scream the loudest.
      - cratermoon 3y ago
        Yes, but we don't get to sit in Congressional committee hearings and bloviate about Existential Risks.
    - chongli 3y ago
      I don't think regulation will achieve what they want. Nothing short of a war-on-drugs style blanket prohibition would work. And you can look there to see how ineffective that's been at keeping drugs off the streets.
boznz 3y ago
Extra barriers! LOL. Everything I have every submitted written by me (a human) to HN, reddit and others in the past 12 months gets rejected as self-promotion or some other BS even though it is totally original technical content. I am totally over the hurdles to get anything I do noticed, and as I don't have social media it seems the future is to publish it anywhere and rely on others or AI to scrape it into a publishable story somewhere else at a future date. I feel for the moderator's dilemma, but I am also over the stupid hoop's humans have to jump.
- sanroot99 3y ago
  So true, barrier to entry is already too High.
koliber 3y ago
Silly prediction: the only way to get guaranteed non-ai generated content will be to go to live performances of expert speakers. Kind of like going to the theater vs. TV and cinema or attending a live concert vs. listening to Spotify.
- megiddo 3y ago
  You could hash the hoard and stick the signature on a blockchain. If only it was 2018, we could do this as a startup and make a mint.
  - __loam 3y ago
    We'll fight one buzzword with another!
  - koliber 3y ago
    There are companies that do this! It’s for proving that something existed at a particular moment back in time.
- andrewla 3y ago
  Until the experts are replaced by "experts" with teleprompter/earpieces.
zhenyakovalyov 3y ago
and a market for books published before 2022 (minus self-publishing on Amazon) :-)

autoexec 3y ago

> Could there be a market for pre-AI era content? Yes, but largely it'll be people who don't want to train their AIs on garbage produced by other AIs

pavel_lishin 3y ago

> Could there be a market for pre-AI era content? Like the market for pre-1940s iron resting at the bottom of seas and oceans, unsullied by atmospheric nuclear bomb testing.

tempest_ 3y ago
That was the first thing that came to mind for me as well
volkk 3y ago
the problem is that data tends to become less useful/relevant over time as opposed to iron that is still iron and fulfills the same purpose
- Moru 3y ago
  Well, the AI generated data is only as usefull as the data it's based upon så no real difference there.

bluefirebrand 3y ago

I'm in the camp where I want AI and automation to free people from drudgery in the hope that it will encourage the biggest HUMAN artwork renaissance ever in history. I don't want AI to be at the forefront of all new media and artwork. That's a terrible outcome to me. And honestly there's already too much "content" in the world and being produced every day, and it seems like every time we step further up the "content is easier to produce and deliver" ladder, it actually gets way more difficult to find much of value, and also more difficult for smaller artists to find an audience. We see this on Steam where there are thousands of new game releases every week. You only ever hear of one or two. And it's almost never surprising which ones you hear about. Rarely you get an indie sensation out of nowhere, but that only usually happens when a big streamer showcases it. Speaking of streamers, it's hard to find quality small streamers too. Twitch and YouTube are saturated with streams to watch but everyone gravitates to the biggest ones because there's just too much to see. Everything is drowning in a sea of (mostly mediocre, honestly) content already, AI is going to make this problem much worse. At least with human generated media, it's a person pursuing their dreams. Those thousands of games per week might not get noticed, but the person who made one of them might launch a career off their indie steam releases and eventually lead a team that makes the next Baldur's Gate 3 (substitute with whatever popular game you like) I can't imagine the same with AI. Or actually, I can imagine much worse. The AI that generates 1000 games eventually gets bought by a company to replace half their staff and now a bunch of people are out of work and have a much harder uphill battle to pursue their dreams (assuming that working on games at that company was their dream) I don't know. I am having a hard time seeing a better society growing out of the current AI boom.

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chongli 3y ago
The AI that generates 1000 games eventually gets bought by a company That seems like only a temporary phenomenon. If we've got AI that can generate any games that people actually want to play then we don't need game companies at all. In the long run I don't see any company being able to build a moat around AI. It's a cat-and-mouse game at best!
- willcipriano 3y ago
  > In the long run I don't see any company being able to build a moat around AI Why do you think they are screaming about "the dangers of AI"? So they can regulate it and gain a moat via regulatory capture.
  - klyrs 3y ago
    >> If we've got AI that can generate any games that people actually want to play then we don't need game companies at all. > Why do you think they are screaming about "the dangers of AI"? Perhaps it's those of us who enjoy making games or are otherwise invested in producing content that are concerned about humanity being reduced to braindead consumers of the neverending LLM sludge, who scream the loudest.
    - cratermoon 3y ago
      Yes, but we don't get to sit in Congressional committee hearings and bloviate about Existential Risks.
  - chongli 3y ago
    I don't think regulation will achieve what they want. Nothing short of a war-on-drugs style blanket prohibition would work. And you can look there to see how ineffective that's been at keeping drugs off the streets.

boznz 3y ago

Extra barriers! LOL. Everything I have every submitted written by me (a human) to HN, reddit and others in the past 12 months gets rejected as self-promotion or some other BS even though it is totally original technical content. I am totally over the hurdles to get anything I do noticed, and as I don't have social media it seems the future is to publish it anywhere and rely on others or AI to scrape it into a publishable story somewhere else at a future date. I feel for the moderator's dilemma, but I am also over the stupid hoop's humans have to jump.

sanroot99 3y ago
So true, barrier to entry is already too High.

koliber 3y ago

Silly prediction: the only way to get guaranteed non-ai generated content will be to go to live performances of expert speakers. Kind of like going to the theater vs. TV and cinema or attending a live concert vs. listening to Spotify.

megiddo 3y ago
You could hash the hoard and stick the signature on a blockchain. If only it was 2018, we could do this as a startup and make a mint.
- __loam 3y ago
  We'll fight one buzzword with another!
- koliber 3y ago
  There are companies that do this! It’s for proving that something existed at a particular moment back in time.
andrewla 3y ago
Until the experts are replaced by "experts" with teleprompter/earpieces.

zhenyakovalyov 3y ago

and a market for books published before 2022 (minus self-publishing on Amazon) :-)