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Here's something I'm wondering: Is it possible to create mechanical logic gates that do not involve any friction, elasticity, springs, gravity, as well as any a

Here's something I'm wondering: Is it possible to create mechanical logic gates that do not involve any friction, elasticity, springs, gravity, as well as any active powered control, but only frictionless motions. Example: a NOT gate is trivial to make without any such friction mechanics, just a lever (one side goes up, other goes down, so 'NOT') or two gears (one rotates one way, the other the other way). But an AND or OR gate, needed to make the universal NAND or NOR gate to get any arbitrary logic, seem to always require some kind of elastic band, spring or gravity based mechanism to return the gate to initial position. Friction / elastic bands, etc... cause wear and tear, which is why it'd be interesting to see a mechanism that's as frictionless as the NOT gate described above. Things that are fine to use according to what I mean above would be: gears (including non-circular shaped ones), planetary gears / differential, levers, ... An example of something that is not fine is: an OR gate made by two sticks that can push an object forward, and an elastic band (or gravity or spring) makes the object move backwards again in the case both sticks are retracted backwards. I mean theoretically, there's always friction in gears anyway but I don't mean avoiding that one.

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speps 3y ago
Steve Mould did one with water: https://youtu.be/IxXaizglscw https://youtu.be/IxXaizglscw
- Aardwolf 3y ago
  This one uses gravity though! Not the same thing as friction causing wear and tear, but still a similar dependency on a force as the springs/elastic bands. Plus use of gravity means a lot of force is needed to operate many of the gates at the same time
  - xaellison 3y ago
    ok but gravity scales quite nicely as force right?
- VikingCoder 3y ago
  And he did one with spintronics: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QrkiJZKJfpY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QrkiJZKJfpY
jncraton 3y ago
There is a large amount of theoretical research on the subject of energy limits in computing. For example, Landauer's principle states any irreversible change in information requires some amount of dissipated heat, and therefore some energy input [1]. Reversible computing is an attempt to get around this limit by removing irreversible state changes [2]. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Landauer%27s_principle https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Landauer%27s_principle [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reversible_computing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reversible_computing
- Aardwolf 3y ago
  Then it's about finding a mechanical toffoli or fredkin gate liie this
gliptic 3y ago
Rod logic seems to fit the bill (https://anthony-zhang.me/blog/rod-logic/ https://anthony-zhang.me/blog/rod-logic/).
nicbn 3y ago
Check out: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kQeDnFUNW-Q https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kQeDnFUNW-Q And gate starts at 4:49. Or gate starts at 6:27. The trick is to make some gears not stationary, moving along as other gears push them.
gene-h 3y ago
Springs do not have to wear out. If springs are made from a material such as steel that has a fatigue limit and the stress they experience is less than the fatigue limit, they may be deformed forever. As for the answer, it appears to be yes. It is possible to make logic gates which only use rigid rotary links[0]. [0]https://arxiv.org/abs/1801.03534 https://arxiv.org/abs/1801.03534
munificent 3y ago
OR is easy: a rod that is fixed to stay horizontal but can slide up and down. There are rods under it at either end for the two input bits. If either input goes up, the horizontal result rod goes up.
- blharr 3y ago
  That requires a gravity based mechanism to return it back down though.
- blharr 3y ago
  That requires a gravity based mechanism to return it back down though.
dekhn 3y ago
Check out https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Billiard-ball_computer https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Billiard-ball_computer It's theoretical but there are some great ideas in the general area of mechanical reversible computing.
quickthrower2 3y ago
Or gate could be a ratchet in your gear example. On a bike, it moves if you have momentum OR you pedal. I guess the ratchet needs a spring though? Doh!

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speps 3y ago

Steve Mould did one with water: https://youtu.be/IxXaizglscw https://youtu.be/IxXaizglscw

Aardwolf 3y ago
This one uses gravity though! Not the same thing as friction causing wear and tear, but still a similar dependency on a force as the springs/elastic bands. Plus use of gravity means a lot of force is needed to operate many of the gates at the same time
- xaellison 3y ago
  ok but gravity scales quite nicely as force right?
VikingCoder 3y ago
And he did one with spintronics: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QrkiJZKJfpY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QrkiJZKJfpY

jncraton 3y ago

There is a large amount of theoretical research on the subject of energy limits in computing. For example, Landauer's principle states any irreversible change in information requires some amount of dissipated heat, and therefore some energy input [1]. Reversible computing is an attempt to get around this limit by removing irreversible state changes [2]. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Landauer%27s_principle https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Landauer%27s_principle [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reversible_computing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reversible_computing

Aardwolf 3y ago
Then it's about finding a mechanical toffoli or fredkin gate liie this

gliptic 3y ago

Rod logic seems to fit the bill (https://anthony-zhang.me/blog/rod-logic/ https://anthony-zhang.me/blog/rod-logic/).

nicbn 3y ago

Check out: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kQeDnFUNW-Q https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kQeDnFUNW-Q And gate starts at 4:49. Or gate starts at 6:27. The trick is to make some gears not stationary, moving along as other gears push them.

gene-h 3y ago

Springs do not have to wear out. If springs are made from a material such as steel that has a fatigue limit and the stress they experience is less than the fatigue limit, they may be deformed forever. As for the answer, it appears to be yes. It is possible to make logic gates which only use rigid rotary links[0]. [0]https://arxiv.org/abs/1801.03534 https://arxiv.org/abs/1801.03534

munificent 3y ago

OR is easy: a rod that is fixed to stay horizontal but can slide up and down. There are rods under it at either end for the two input bits. If either input goes up, the horizontal result rod goes up.

blharr 3y ago
That requires a gravity based mechanism to return it back down though.
blharr 3y ago
That requires a gravity based mechanism to return it back down though.

dekhn 3y ago

Check out https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Billiard-ball_computer https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Billiard-ball_computer It's theoretical but there are some great ideas in the general area of mechanical reversible computing.

quickthrower2 3y ago

Or gate could be a ratchet in your gear example. On a bike, it moves if you have momentum OR you pedal. I guess the ratchet needs a spring though? Doh!