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They do, it's incredibly common and it's useful information. This Japanese response seems very confusing, it's hard to understand how this could possibly be re

by CPLX 3y ago

They do, it's incredibly common and it's useful information. This Japanese response seems very confusing, it's hard to understand how this could possibly be relevant to the accident. Unless of course there's a Japanese/English phonetic overlap I'm not aware of.

cromka 3y ago
> This Japanese response seems very confusing, it's hard to understand how this could possibly be relevant to the accident. "The move comes after the misinterpretation of the phrase could have led to last week's deadly collision between a Japan Airlines passenger plane and a Japan Coast Guard aircraft on a runway at Tokyo's Haneda Airport."
- alistairSH 3y ago
  That would indicate "you are next" was being used as a substitute for either/both of "line up and wait" and "cleared for take-off." While that's certainly possible, it would be surprising. Typical ATC commands at a busy commercial airport would be something like: "Taxi via XYZ, hold at ABC" (where ABC is close to, but a safe distance from, the runway surface) "Line up and wait" (enter the runway, but hold while existing traffic clears the runway) "Clear for takeoff" (runway is clear, you may depart) In this incident, I don't think either of those last two commands were given.
- thrill 3y ago
  I suspect that it was common, at least to that pilot's ear, that "line up and wait, you're number one for takeoff" had been heard together so many times that when he heard only the latter his brain "helpfully" filled in the former. Some terminology change is occasionally warranted.
  - mixdup 3y ago
    If that was literally the words used probably need to enforce that it's "you're number one for departure" so that you can't inadvertently think takeoff meant cleared for takeoff
    - cromka 3y ago
      This may be down to how people interpret number 1 in a queue. Think of the floor numbers: some countries use 1 as a ground floor, some use 0. So being number 1 in line may mean something else in different cultures, and considering how cultures mingle nowadays, it's not hard to imagine someone just got confused there for a second.
numpad0 3y ago
Reportedly the sole surviving captain of the turboprop had understanding that he was cleared to enter the active runway, which to (ATC clip watcher non-pilot) me sounds like there is skill aspect to this accident stemming from lack of public interest in general aviation here in Japan. There has also been news articles pointing fingers on this. I don't know whether it's media fixating out of depth or whether there is such early stage suspicion shared among investigators.

by CPLX 3y ago

cromka 3y ago

> This Japanese response seems very confusing, it's hard to understand how this could possibly be relevant to the accident. "The move comes after the misinterpretation of the phrase could have led to last week's deadly collision between a Japan Airlines passenger plane and a Japan Coast Guard aircraft on a runway at Tokyo's Haneda Airport."

alistairSH 3y ago
That would indicate "you are next" was being used as a substitute for either/both of "line up and wait" and "cleared for take-off." While that's certainly possible, it would be surprising. Typical ATC commands at a busy commercial airport would be something like: "Taxi via XYZ, hold at ABC" (where ABC is close to, but a safe distance from, the runway surface) "Line up and wait" (enter the runway, but hold while existing traffic clears the runway) "Clear for takeoff" (runway is clear, you may depart) In this incident, I don't think either of those last two commands were given.
thrill 3y ago
I suspect that it was common, at least to that pilot's ear, that "line up and wait, you're number one for takeoff" had been heard together so many times that when he heard only the latter his brain "helpfully" filled in the former. Some terminology change is occasionally warranted.
- mixdup 3y ago
  If that was literally the words used probably need to enforce that it's "you're number one for departure" so that you can't inadvertently think takeoff meant cleared for takeoff
  - cromka 3y ago
    This may be down to how people interpret number 1 in a queue. Think of the floor numbers: some countries use 1 as a ground floor, some use 0. So being number 1 in line may mean something else in different cultures, and considering how cultures mingle nowadays, it's not hard to imagine someone just got confused there for a second.

numpad0 3y ago

Reportedly the sole surviving captain of the turboprop had understanding that he was cleared to enter the active runway, which to (ATC clip watcher non-pilot) me sounds like there is skill aspect to this accident stemming from lack of public interest in general aviation here in Japan. There has also been news articles pointing fingers on this. I don't know whether it's media fixating out of depth or whether there is such early stage suspicion shared among investigators.