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$199 with no subscription? You must have to bring your own data sim card. Or can it get its connection from your phone? And is the AI stuff running locally on t

$199 with no subscription? You must have to bring your own data sim card. Or can it get its connection from your phone? And is the AI stuff running locally on the device? Impressive if so. Suspicious if not; there's no way the service remains free forever. Pretty compelling price, and I'm certain the vision of AI agents that can use any existing app or website to take actions on your behalf is the future of computing. But there's no room in my pocket for a second device. I don't see how a device is going to succeed when an equivalent app for existing phones seems around the corner.

niutech 3y ago
It's indeed suspicious. You're sending your voice samples, your various services accounts, your location and more private data to some proprietary black box in some public cloud. Sorry, but this is a privacy nightmare. It should be open source and self-hosted like Mycroft (https://mycroft.ai https://mycroft.ai) or Leon (https://getleon.ai https://getleon.ai) to be trustworthy.
threatofrain 3y ago
The AI runs on their cloud. It's unfortunate but the industry is only starting to catch onto on-device models language models.
- helloericsf 3y ago
  Need to submit your OpenAI API key to use the full service. :P
- ilaksh 3y ago
  It's not a matter of "catching on". There are smaller models and they have been looking into putting useful models on device from day one. It's just the fact that the models that can currently run on a mobile device are not effective enough. It is about the most memory and compute intensive type of application ever. In particular, models that can reason or follow instructions reliably and for general purpose are too big to run quickly on mobile devices. They are putting models on phones, but they do not have general purpose assistant capabilities. This may change in the next few years though.
- swyx 3y ago
  > the industry is only starting to catch onto on-device models language models. i mean there are technical limitations and tradeoffs to running LLM-size models locally. doesnt help to ascribe it to lack of foresight when it is a known Hard Problem.
- coffeebeqn 3y ago
  It probably wouldn’t cost $199 with a capable chip and the battery to go with that. Actually the only device with such features is a recent smartphone. Wouldn’t this be better as an app?
  - stavros 3y ago
    It also probably wouldn't cost "no subscription" with a cloud-based AI, so what gives?
- quickthrower2 3y ago
  Really, so this whole thing could be a $9.99 app on my existing phone :-). And if it is that good then I can delete all the other apps. Ah already have ChatGPT installed, that'll do :-).
whstl 3y ago
The presentation does mention a "4G-LTE sim card slot". AI seems to be cloud based, indeed.

niutech 3y ago

It's indeed suspicious. You're sending your voice samples, your various services accounts, your location and more private data to some proprietary black box in some public cloud. Sorry, but this is a privacy nightmare. It should be open source and self-hosted like Mycroft (https://mycroft.ai https://mycroft.ai) or Leon (https://getleon.ai https://getleon.ai) to be trustworthy.

threatofrain 3y ago

The AI runs on their cloud. It's unfortunate but the industry is only starting to catch onto on-device models language models.

helloericsf 3y ago
Need to submit your OpenAI API key to use the full service. :P
ilaksh 3y ago
It's not a matter of "catching on". There are smaller models and they have been looking into putting useful models on device from day one. It's just the fact that the models that can currently run on a mobile device are not effective enough. It is about the most memory and compute intensive type of application ever. In particular, models that can reason or follow instructions reliably and for general purpose are too big to run quickly on mobile devices. They are putting models on phones, but they do not have general purpose assistant capabilities. This may change in the next few years though.
swyx 3y ago
> the industry is only starting to catch onto on-device models language models. i mean there are technical limitations and tradeoffs to running LLM-size models locally. doesnt help to ascribe it to lack of foresight when it is a known Hard Problem.
coffeebeqn 3y ago
It probably wouldn’t cost $199 with a capable chip and the battery to go with that. Actually the only device with such features is a recent smartphone. Wouldn’t this be better as an app?
- stavros 3y ago
  It also probably wouldn't cost "no subscription" with a cloud-based AI, so what gives?
quickthrower2 3y ago
Really, so this whole thing could be a $9.99 app on my existing phone :-). And if it is that good then I can delete all the other apps. Ah already have ChatGPT installed, that'll do :-).

whstl 3y ago

The presentation does mention a "4G-LTE sim card slot". AI seems to be cloud based, indeed.