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But cross-reference that with OpenSecrets to see if it's even worth pursuing. If they're in office, they're probably taking bribes from Boeing.

JumpCrisscross 3y ago
> cross-reference that with OpenSecrets to see if it's even worth pursuing I'm sympathetic to civic disengagement from nihilism, apathy, laziness or even ignorance. What I don't understand is proselytising it. > in office, they're probably taking bribes from Boeing This is bunk, even if we forget that campaign donations aren't bribes.
- rthkljlkrj 3y ago
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- doetoe 3y ago
  > This is bunk, even if we forget that campaign donations aren't bribes Are you sure? A quick search seems to indicate that Boeing certainly makes campaign donations
  - JumpCrisscross 3y ago
    > quick search seems to indicate that Boeing certainly makes campaign donations Of course they do [1]. They're a defence contractor. They give to a lot of electeds. But far from every elected. (I'd be shocked if they weren't giving to everyone on those subcommittees.) What's bunk is believing someone receving $5k from Boeing is in their pocket. They're not. They've likely never spoken. This is all nonsense used to justify inactivity. Which is baffling, since it seems to require as much effort as (albeit less social interaction than) engagmeent. [1] https://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/boeing-co/recipients?id=d000000100 https://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/boeing-co/recipients?id=d00...
- 93po 3y ago
  What do you call giving government officials lots of money to take anticompetitive actions that personally benefit you that they would otherwise never do and also have a clear conflict of interest with the purpose of their elected position?
  - mulmen 3y ago
    I call it representative democracy.
    - autoexec 3y ago
      representing only those with the most money at the expense of literally everyone else
      - mulmen 3y ago
        This just isn't true. It's a weird fantasy of helplessness which breeds inaction. Our system is imperfect sure but not broken. This level of apathy is a choice and promoting it is harmful.
  - JumpCrisscross 3y ago
    > giving government officials lots of money to take anticompetitive actions that personally benefit you Give a specific case. Because almost all of them, with Boeing, involve on one hand a $5k donation, and on the other hand, a factory in the district. Guess which one gets you an urgent meeting with the Congressman. Tech, in particular, has this cartoonish totem of how politics works. This usually ends hilariously. But in this case, it’s being used to justify inaction, which is conveniently self fulfilling.
seru 3y ago
Take care - Poe's law applies to voting and civic engagement suppression tactics as well (of which this is a prime example.)

JumpCrisscross 3y ago

> cross-reference that with OpenSecrets to see if it's even worth pursuing I'm sympathetic to civic disengagement from nihilism, apathy, laziness or even ignorance. What I don't understand is proselytising it. > in office, they're probably taking bribes from Boeing This is bunk, even if we forget that campaign donations aren't bribes.

rthkljlkrj 3y ago
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doetoe 3y ago
> This is bunk, even if we forget that campaign donations aren't bribes Are you sure? A quick search seems to indicate that Boeing certainly makes campaign donations
- JumpCrisscross 3y ago
  > quick search seems to indicate that Boeing certainly makes campaign donations Of course they do [1]. They're a defence contractor. They give to a lot of electeds. But far from every elected. (I'd be shocked if they weren't giving to everyone on those subcommittees.) What's bunk is believing someone receving $5k from Boeing is in their pocket. They're not. They've likely never spoken. This is all nonsense used to justify inactivity. Which is baffling, since it seems to require as much effort as (albeit less social interaction than) engagmeent. [1] https://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/boeing-co/recipients?id=d000000100 https://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/boeing-co/recipients?id=d00...
93po 3y ago
What do you call giving government officials lots of money to take anticompetitive actions that personally benefit you that they would otherwise never do and also have a clear conflict of interest with the purpose of their elected position?
- mulmen 3y ago
  I call it representative democracy.
  - autoexec 3y ago
    representing only those with the most money at the expense of literally everyone else
    - mulmen 3y ago
      This just isn't true. It's a weird fantasy of helplessness which breeds inaction. Our system is imperfect sure but not broken. This level of apathy is a choice and promoting it is harmful.
- JumpCrisscross 3y ago
  > giving government officials lots of money to take anticompetitive actions that personally benefit you Give a specific case. Because almost all of them, with Boeing, involve on one hand a $5k donation, and on the other hand, a factory in the district. Guess which one gets you an urgent meeting with the Congressman. Tech, in particular, has this cartoonish totem of how politics works. This usually ends hilariously. But in this case, it’s being used to justify inaction, which is conveniently self fulfilling.

seru 3y ago

Take care - Poe's law applies to voting and civic engagement suppression tactics as well (of which this is a prime example.)