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Which is why we should be halting the progression and use of the drones like we are seeing in Ukraine. No one wins a drone war.

networkchad 3y ago
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4gotunameagain 3y ago
The same way we halted the use of chemical weapons, which have seen rampant use in the Syrian war ? Unfortunately these measures do not seem to work.. If even one actor is employing them, the rest need to also employ them in a lack of a better defence.
kaibee 3y ago
A drone is just some electric motors, batteries, RF control and a gyroscope/accelerometer. I'm not exactly sure how you could halt the progression at this point.
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sdenton4 3y ago
Are you suggesting we should move on from drone wars to clone wars? https://youtu.be/enrUBmDgeOQ?si=F3nfNjO40_v04wCu&t=17 https://youtu.be/enrUBmDgeOQ?si=F3nfNjO40_v04wCu&t=17
mckn1ght 3y ago
> No one wins a drone war. A non sequitur with no justification. If you are being attacked with drones, and you don’t have any, you are definitely going to lose that war. This is like how people say nobody wins a nuclear war. Ask Ukraine how they feel about the decision to give up their nukes is going.
- adventured 3y ago
  Ukraine couldn't use or maintain those nuclear weapons. They had no control over their actual use. So why would Ukraine feel bad about giving them up? It was a huge benefit to get rid of them given the risks and costs associated. They absolutely could not afford to maintain them circa 1991-2021. Not even remotely close. Giving them up was the only thing that made any sense given their extremely low real value. If Ukraine made a mistake, it was in what they got in return for those non-functional weapons. They didn't negotiate very well.
  - dist-epoch 3y ago
    Surely they could afford maintaining a dozen of them. > They had no control over their actual use Assuming they could not bypass the protection, they could still extract the radioactive material and create their own designs.
adventured 3y ago
The nation that can destroy (or otherwise severely impair) the drone manufacturing/supply/operation capabilities of the opponent, wins a war that heavily includes drones. That's assuming the drones matter that much, which hasn't been demonstrated yet. Drones have not shifted the balance of power in Ukraine v Russia for example. It's no different than blowing up any other kind of weapons supply. You stop the supply, that's how you end the mass drone threat in that kind of war. You don't just endlessly trade hits from drones. That'd be like never targeting your opponents artillery production, or tank production, or cruise missile production, or jet production, or repair facilities, et al. Of course one side or the other will win a drone war, just like most any other war.
- dist-epoch 3y ago
  > Drones have not shifted the balance of power in Ukraine v Russia for example. Because both sides use them. They made armored attacks impossible for both sides. A tank is detected in 1 minute and destroyed in 10.
  - nerpderp82 3y ago
    Drones will be the mustard gas of the mid 21st century. We haven't begun to see the massive casualties they will create. Think guided cluster munitions where every 100g payload finds a soft target and you launch 1-5k of them at a time. The Ukraine war is already causing blowback as seen in Gaza. We should make war itself illegal.
ProjectArcturis 3y ago
>No one wins a drone war. Not with that attitude they won't.
rnk 3y ago
How do we get China to stop? It's impossible. It's completely to their advantage to have drones get better. They can mass produce them way better than us. The CPUs don't seem to be that advanced up to now, so they can probably make them. If not they can steal/buy them illegally. Russia is a slightly different case because they can't make many of the parts but they can cobble them together using other CPUs. So they are hurt, but possibly helped. We just have to work on defensive measures.

networkchad 3y ago

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4gotunameagain 3y ago

The same way we halted the use of chemical weapons, which have seen rampant use in the Syrian war ? Unfortunately these measures do not seem to work.. If even one actor is employing them, the rest need to also employ them in a lack of a better defence.

kaibee 3y ago

A drone is just some electric motors, batteries, RF control and a gyroscope/accelerometer. I'm not exactly sure how you could halt the progression at this point.

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sdenton4 3y ago

Are you suggesting we should move on from drone wars to clone wars? https://youtu.be/enrUBmDgeOQ?si=F3nfNjO40_v04wCu&t=17 https://youtu.be/enrUBmDgeOQ?si=F3nfNjO40_v04wCu&t=17

mckn1ght 3y ago

> No one wins a drone war. A non sequitur with no justification. If you are being attacked with drones, and you don’t have any, you are definitely going to lose that war. This is like how people say nobody wins a nuclear war. Ask Ukraine how they feel about the decision to give up their nukes is going.

adventured 3y ago
Ukraine couldn't use or maintain those nuclear weapons. They had no control over their actual use. So why would Ukraine feel bad about giving them up? It was a huge benefit to get rid of them given the risks and costs associated. They absolutely could not afford to maintain them circa 1991-2021. Not even remotely close. Giving them up was the only thing that made any sense given their extremely low real value. If Ukraine made a mistake, it was in what they got in return for those non-functional weapons. They didn't negotiate very well.
- dist-epoch 3y ago
  Surely they could afford maintaining a dozen of them. > They had no control over their actual use Assuming they could not bypass the protection, they could still extract the radioactive material and create their own designs.

adventured 3y ago

The nation that can destroy (or otherwise severely impair) the drone manufacturing/supply/operation capabilities of the opponent, wins a war that heavily includes drones. That's assuming the drones matter that much, which hasn't been demonstrated yet. Drones have not shifted the balance of power in Ukraine v Russia for example. It's no different than blowing up any other kind of weapons supply. You stop the supply, that's how you end the mass drone threat in that kind of war. You don't just endlessly trade hits from drones. That'd be like never targeting your opponents artillery production, or tank production, or cruise missile production, or jet production, or repair facilities, et al. Of course one side or the other will win a drone war, just like most any other war.

dist-epoch 3y ago
> Drones have not shifted the balance of power in Ukraine v Russia for example. Because both sides use them. They made armored attacks impossible for both sides. A tank is detected in 1 minute and destroyed in 10.
- nerpderp82 3y ago
  Drones will be the mustard gas of the mid 21st century. We haven't begun to see the massive casualties they will create. Think guided cluster munitions where every 100g payload finds a soft target and you launch 1-5k of them at a time. The Ukraine war is already causing blowback as seen in Gaza. We should make war itself illegal.

ProjectArcturis 3y ago

>No one wins a drone war. Not with that attitude they won't.

rnk 3y ago

How do we get China to stop? It's impossible. It's completely to their advantage to have drones get better. They can mass produce them way better than us. The CPUs don't seem to be that advanced up to now, so they can probably make them. If not they can steal/buy them illegally. Russia is a slightly different case because they can't make many of the parts but they can cobble them together using other CPUs. So they are hurt, but possibly helped. We just have to work on defensive measures.