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I wonder if bias analysis is even possible in a situation where ground truth itself is unknown. With Israel/Palestine, the more you know, the less you know. De

by screye 3y ago

I wonder if bias analysis is even possible in a situation where ground truth itself is unknown. With Israel/Palestine, the more you know, the less you know. Death estimates vary by 1 order of magnitude on either side. The oppressor changes depending on when you start counting. It's a sort of black humor, that truthfulness benchmarks have models ranking at an all time high, all while we enter a post truth era.

throw310822 3y ago
> Death estimates vary by 1 order of magnitude on either side This is not actually true. Deaths count is pretty precise on both sides (there is some uncertainty on the number of deaths in Gaza at the moment as the situation is developing, but the overall numbers of the "conflict" are well known). You can check the data here (doesn't include the 2023/24 data): https://www.ochaopt.org/data/casualties https://www.ochaopt.org/data/casualties > where ground truth itself is unknown This is a funny involuntary pun: the ground truth is perfectly known, as Israel is illegally occupying the ground of Palestine, and not the other way around. This is the big picture you need to keep in mind when approaching the issue. > With Israel/Palestine, the more you know, the less you know This is also not true, but this impression is always the end goal of denialists, who seek to question every smallest detail and, when cornered, just move to the next one. The well established facts are that Israel is engaged in illegal annexations, occupations and settlements, and (according to the major human rights organisations) has established an apartheid system in the occupied territories, through which it oppresses the native population. The goal is clearly inscribed in the platform of the party that has governed the country for the biggest part of the last three decades: "The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable [...] between the Sea and the Jordan [i.e. the whole of Palestine] there will only be Israeli sovereignty."

by screye 3y ago

throw310822 3y ago

> Death estimates vary by 1 order of magnitude on either side This is not actually true. Deaths count is pretty precise on both sides (there is some uncertainty on the number of deaths in Gaza at the moment as the situation is developing, but the overall numbers of the "conflict" are well known). You can check the data here (doesn't include the 2023/24 data): https://www.ochaopt.org/data/casualties https://www.ochaopt.org/data/casualties > where ground truth itself is unknown This is a funny involuntary pun: the ground truth is perfectly known, as Israel is illegally occupying the ground of Palestine, and not the other way around. This is the big picture you need to keep in mind when approaching the issue. > With Israel/Palestine, the more you know, the less you know This is also not true, but this impression is always the end goal of denialists, who seek to question every smallest detail and, when cornered, just move to the next one. The well established facts are that Israel is engaged in illegal annexations, occupations and settlements, and (according to the major human rights organisations) has established an apartheid system in the occupied territories, through which it oppresses the native population. The goal is clearly inscribed in the platform of the party that has governed the country for the biggest part of the last three decades: "The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable [...] between the Sea and the Jordan [i.e. the whole of Palestine] there will only be Israeli sovereignty."