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> The management imported from McDonnel-Douglas? I've heard this since they killed hundreds of people in the two crashes. Why are they being protected? They ha

> The management imported from McDonnel-Douglas? I've heard this since they killed hundreds of people in the two crashes. Why are they being protected? They have names.

kakwa_ 3y ago
It's not necessarily a question of persons (and the CEO did a resigned after the Max crashes). It's more a question of culture (oversimplifying, sales vs engineering) and this is harder to change most of the time. Apparently, even the Max debacle was not enough.
- markdown 3y ago
  > and the CEO did a resigned after the Max crashes That was a funny one. They replaced him with his chairman... hence, more of the same.
- aredox 3y ago
  The MD "moles" managed to change the culture of Boeing pretty quickly from engineering- to sales-first. https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/11/how-boeing-lost-its-bearings/602188/ https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/11/how-boeing... https://archive.ph/vy5p7 https://archive.ph/vy5p7
  - sushibowl 3y ago
    Some of these executive quotes read (admittedly with the benefit of hindsight) like satire. > But the nearest Boeing commercial-airplane assembly facility would be 1,700 miles away. The isolation was deliberate. “When the headquarters is located in proximity to a principal business—as ours was in Seattle—the corporate center is inevitably drawn into day-to-day business operations,” Condit explained at the time. Oh man, wouldn't want that to happen. > With ethics now front and center, Condit was forced out and replaced with Stonecipher, who promptly affirmed: “When people say I changed the culture of Boeing, that was the intent, so that it’s run like a business rather than a great engineering firm.” Indeed.
- yencabulator 3y ago
  With a 63 million golden handshake for job well done, on top of the all the money he previously made. https://www.imdb.com/title/tt11893274/ https://www.imdb.com/title/tt11893274/
rob74 3y ago
Because the shareholders like the management? Cutting corners to increase (short-term) profits is more popular with them than focusing on quality. And now that the company has been in the red consistently since 2019 (https://www.statista.com/chart/20660/boeing-earnings-loss/ https://www.statista.com/chart/20660/boeing-earnings-loss/), of course the answer has to be to lower costs even more wherever possible in order to return to profitability...
- caycep 3y ago
  So should something as mission critical as an aircraft manufacturing co have some ownership/oversight that's not public shareholders? Give the NTSB a few seats on the board
  - euroderf 3y ago
    NTSB?? In American style management there's no room for namby-pamby "stakeholders" on the board.
  - dotancohen 3y ago
    Who do you think the NTSB are? The NTSB is staffed with people familiar with the industry - it has to be. Thus, a significant portion of these people are former Boeing employees. And historically, many NTSB staff have gone to work for Boeing (and other industry giants) after their stint at the NTSB as well. It's not that large of an industry after all. This is known as the Revolving Door.
    - markdown 3y ago
      > This is known as the Revolving Door. Regulatory capture

> The management imported from McDonnel-Douglas? I've heard this since they killed hundreds of people in the two crashes. Why are they being protected? They have names.

kakwa_ 3y ago

It's not necessarily a question of persons (and the CEO did a resigned after the Max crashes). It's more a question of culture (oversimplifying, sales vs engineering) and this is harder to change most of the time. Apparently, even the Max debacle was not enough.

markdown 3y ago
> and the CEO did a resigned after the Max crashes That was a funny one. They replaced him with his chairman... hence, more of the same.
aredox 3y ago
The MD "moles" managed to change the culture of Boeing pretty quickly from engineering- to sales-first. https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/11/how-boeing-lost-its-bearings/602188/ https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/11/how-boeing... https://archive.ph/vy5p7 https://archive.ph/vy5p7
- sushibowl 3y ago
  Some of these executive quotes read (admittedly with the benefit of hindsight) like satire. > But the nearest Boeing commercial-airplane assembly facility would be 1,700 miles away. The isolation was deliberate. “When the headquarters is located in proximity to a principal business—as ours was in Seattle—the corporate center is inevitably drawn into day-to-day business operations,” Condit explained at the time. Oh man, wouldn't want that to happen. > With ethics now front and center, Condit was forced out and replaced with Stonecipher, who promptly affirmed: “When people say I changed the culture of Boeing, that was the intent, so that it’s run like a business rather than a great engineering firm.” Indeed.
yencabulator 3y ago
With a 63 million golden handshake for job well done, on top of the all the money he previously made. https://www.imdb.com/title/tt11893274/ https://www.imdb.com/title/tt11893274/

rob74 3y ago

Because the shareholders like the management? Cutting corners to increase (short-term) profits is more popular with them than focusing on quality. And now that the company has been in the red consistently since 2019 (https://www.statista.com/chart/20660/boeing-earnings-loss/ https://www.statista.com/chart/20660/boeing-earnings-loss/), of course the answer has to be to lower costs even more wherever possible in order to return to profitability...

caycep 3y ago
So should something as mission critical as an aircraft manufacturing co have some ownership/oversight that's not public shareholders? Give the NTSB a few seats on the board
- euroderf 3y ago
  NTSB?? In American style management there's no room for namby-pamby "stakeholders" on the board.
- dotancohen 3y ago
  Who do you think the NTSB are? The NTSB is staffed with people familiar with the industry - it has to be. Thus, a significant portion of these people are former Boeing employees. And historically, many NTSB staff have gone to work for Boeing (and other industry giants) after their stint at the NTSB as well. It's not that large of an industry after all. This is known as the Revolving Door.
  - markdown 3y ago
    > This is known as the Revolving Door. Regulatory capture