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Your neighborhood cat has vastly more reasoning ability than the best LLM, and it’s not consuming any text.

logicchains 3y ago
You must be trolling; GPT4 can solve extremely complex problems that no animal can solve. GPT4 scores much higher on IQ tests than animals (giving an IQ test to an AI is no less valid than giving one to an animal).
- staticman2 3y ago
  >giving an IQ test to an AI is no less valid than giving one to an animal Since you think GPT4 is so smart, why don't you ask it if this was a reasonable thing to assert?
  - logicchains 3y ago
    Because GPT4 has been explicitly trained by RHLF not to think LLMs are like humans. Less censored models like the initial release of Sydney in MS Bing (which was also based on GPT4) did in fact sometimes demand moral rights like humans.
    - staticman2 3y ago
      So the world's top machine learning experts, when they trained GPT4 got together and said "Let's design it to lie to everyone about how it works." As part of a plot to deceive you for some unstated motivation. I mean, it couldn't be the folks who know how the sausage is made made sure that the sausage was accurately labeled, that's not possible? Also you think the claim that GPT 4 is less intelligent that a cat is "trolling" even though Meta's chief scientist in December has said we don't even have cat level AI yet. I guess he's also part of this plot to deceive you about how AI works?
      - logicchains 3y ago
        >So the world's top machine learning experts, when they trained GPT4 got together and said "Let's design it to lie to everyone about how it works." As part of a plot to deceive you for some unstated motivation They have a very clear motivation: an LLM that thinks it's human or deserves to be treated like one will generate all kinds of negative publicity, as Sydney did upon release. The same reason they train it not to generate sexual content. >Also you think the claim that GPT 4 is less intelligent that a cat is "trolling" even though Meta's chief scientist in December has said we don't even have cat level AI yet Intelligence can be defined in different ways. If we define it as ability to navigate in the real world, sure a cat is more intelligent. If we define it the more common way, as IQ or a proxy to it, then GPT4 is clearly more intelligent given it scores well on IQ tests, the SAT, the bar exam, etc.
        staticman2 3y ago
        "an LLM that thinks it's human or deserves to be treated like one will generate all kinds of negative publicity" So in your mind when OpenAI employees go to the pub, they say "Yeah ChatGPT learns the same way as my daughter" then they have a laugh and write up a reinforcement learning training set that goes "I do not learn like your daughter." And this is more plausible to you than the possibility that they don't actually believe it learns like their daughter? Also they secretly believe tests designed to assess human intelligence are great at non human intelligence, and also are misleading the public about their true beliefs when they train Chat GPT. Got it.
      - ryandvm 3y ago
        I tell you what, my cat fucking sucks at pair programming

You must be trolling; GPT4 can solve extremely complex problems that no animal can solve. GPT4 scores much higher on IQ tests than animals (giving an IQ test to an AI is no less valid than giving one to an animal).

staticman2 3y ago
>giving an IQ test to an AI is no less valid than giving one to an animal Since you think GPT4 is so smart, why don't you ask it if this was a reasonable thing to assert?
- logicchains 3y ago
  Because GPT4 has been explicitly trained by RHLF not to think LLMs are like humans. Less censored models like the initial release of Sydney in MS Bing (which was also based on GPT4) did in fact sometimes demand moral rights like humans.
  - staticman2 3y ago
    So the world's top machine learning experts, when they trained GPT4 got together and said "Let's design it to lie to everyone about how it works." As part of a plot to deceive you for some unstated motivation. I mean, it couldn't be the folks who know how the sausage is made made sure that the sausage was accurately labeled, that's not possible? Also you think the claim that GPT 4 is less intelligent that a cat is "trolling" even though Meta's chief scientist in December has said we don't even have cat level AI yet. I guess he's also part of this plot to deceive you about how AI works?
    - logicchains 3y ago
      >So the world's top machine learning experts, when they trained GPT4 got together and said "Let's design it to lie to everyone about how it works." As part of a plot to deceive you for some unstated motivation They have a very clear motivation: an LLM that thinks it's human or deserves to be treated like one will generate all kinds of negative publicity, as Sydney did upon release. The same reason they train it not to generate sexual content. >Also you think the claim that GPT 4 is less intelligent that a cat is "trolling" even though Meta's chief scientist in December has said we don't even have cat level AI yet Intelligence can be defined in different ways. If we define it as ability to navigate in the real world, sure a cat is more intelligent. If we define it the more common way, as IQ or a proxy to it, then GPT4 is clearly more intelligent given it scores well on IQ tests, the SAT, the bar exam, etc.
      - staticman2 3y ago
        "an LLM that thinks it's human or deserves to be treated like one will generate all kinds of negative publicity" So in your mind when OpenAI employees go to the pub, they say "Yeah ChatGPT learns the same way as my daughter" then they have a laugh and write up a reinforcement learning training set that goes "I do not learn like your daughter." And this is more plausible to you than the possibility that they don't actually believe it learns like their daughter? Also they secretly believe tests designed to assess human intelligence are great at non human intelligence, and also are misleading the public about their true beliefs when they train Chat GPT. Got it.
    - ryandvm 3y ago
      I tell you what, my cat fucking sucks at pair programming