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If this keeps escalating, the US might get more involved

by jokoon 3y ago

bbor 3y ago
I can’t tell if this comment is a joke or not but I agree! It’s just funny to see that on the story “95% of traffic through the Suez Canal diverted” —- seems pretty escalated!
- kube-system 3y ago
  I presume by escalation, they are referring to the entire conflict, not just the diversion of traffic.
diggan 3y ago
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r00fus 3y ago
Did you hear about Operation Prosperity Guardian and its complete failure to address the situation?
briffle 3y ago
I don't undertand why the EU isn't all over this. those containerships are mostly going to them. I'm also curious how long this route around africa is the best option, since right now, its summer in the southern hemisphere.. I seem to remember hearing that winters around the cape of Africa are pretty legendary.
- Analemma_ 3y ago
  I have a suspicion that it's the same reason European aid to Ukraine has so far been a tiny fraction of what was publicly pledged: western European military capabilities are much, much more degraded than anyone is publicly admitting. After the collapse of the USSR it was fine to just write off defense capabilities for a while and lean on the American security shield, but now after ~35 years of kicking that can down the road there's nothing useful they can do to to help against a bunch of unguided rockets getting fired from the desert, never mind a shooting war with Russia.
  - hef19898 3y ago
    European navies can project force just fine, especially the Royal Navy, French Navy and the Italian Navy all of ehich have aircraft carriers. By the way, military support for Ukraine runs just fine. Main reason nobody goes to fight over this, is the avoidance of escalation. And so far, some delays in shipping is not the end of the world.
    - giraffe_lady 3y ago
      Don't they have like one aircraft carrier each. Would be absolutely embarrassing to have it melted by Houthis.
      - hef19898 3y ago
        Last time I checked, Italy had two. Anyway, for now geo politics mean that taking the long way around, and not intervene with force, the smart decision for everyone involved.
        KAMSPioneer 3y ago
        To be clear, the displacement of the aircraft carriers of the Italian navy are 30k tonnes and 14k tonnes. US carriers are about 100k tonnes, UK about 65k tonnes. I don't think they're really comparable, as US amphibious assault ships have greater displacement than the Italian carriers.
        hef19898 3y ago
        And yet, both can project force. Even using F-35s like the US Navy does. Not that any of that would help against Houthi rebels.
        KAMSPioneer 3y ago
        Absolutely capable of projecting force, yes. But the commenter above pointed out that it would be an big risk for a country with two (they said one, but it's two very small) ACs to send one of them into a war zone instead of trade ships simply going around. At least that's was my read of it. Although it's a worthwhile correction to say Italy's navy fields two ACs instead of one, I just don't think it's material to their point.
- grenouille932 3y ago
  French ships are still going through. CMA CGM just resumed shipping there. This entire issue is basically Israel trying to pretend the entire global supply chains are about to collapse if no one intervenes (keeping in mind they have their own navy, but declined to participate in operation Prosperity Guardian, despite them being the main target of the Houthi blockade...)
uluyol 3y ago
Israel has been begging for the US to get more involved. Like how they are provoking Hezbollah with their "double-tap" strikes.
- tptacek 3y ago
  Israel and Hezbollah have been in a low-grade state of war for over a decade. If Hezbollah hadn't diverted its energy to the Syrian Civil War, they might by now have been in a state of total war. Hezbollah has units dedicated to infiltrating and attacking targets in Israeli Galilee. My guess is, and I could be wrong, that it probably doesn't make sense to attribute a motive of "dragging the US in" to Israeli strikes on Hezbollah. In many ways, Israeli strikes on Hezbollah are far more ordinary than strikes in Gaza are.
thisisonthetest 3y ago
the theory I’ve heard says that’s extremely unlikely. The US only has ~80 destroyers most of which are protecting their super carriers. They don’t want to police the worlds oceans anymore. [1] https://youtu.be/mcZPOuI-vcU?feature=shared https://youtu.be/mcZPOuI-vcU?feature=shared

If this keeps escalating, the US might get more involved

by jokoon 3y ago

If this keeps escalating, the US might get more involved

bbor 3y ago

I can’t tell if this comment is a joke or not but I agree! It’s just funny to see that on the story “95% of traffic through the Suez Canal diverted” —- seems pretty escalated!

kube-system 3y ago
I presume by escalation, they are referring to the entire conflict, not just the diversion of traffic.

diggan 3y ago

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r00fus 3y ago

Did you hear about Operation Prosperity Guardian and its complete failure to address the situation?

briffle 3y ago

I don't undertand why the EU isn't all over this. those containerships are mostly going to them. I'm also curious how long this route around africa is the best option, since right now, its summer in the southern hemisphere.. I seem to remember hearing that winters around the cape of Africa are pretty legendary.

Analemma_ 3y ago
I have a suspicion that it's the same reason European aid to Ukraine has so far been a tiny fraction of what was publicly pledged: western European military capabilities are much, much more degraded than anyone is publicly admitting. After the collapse of the USSR it was fine to just write off defense capabilities for a while and lean on the American security shield, but now after ~35 years of kicking that can down the road there's nothing useful they can do to to help against a bunch of unguided rockets getting fired from the desert, never mind a shooting war with Russia.
- hef19898 3y ago
  European navies can project force just fine, especially the Royal Navy, French Navy and the Italian Navy all of ehich have aircraft carriers. By the way, military support for Ukraine runs just fine. Main reason nobody goes to fight over this, is the avoidance of escalation. And so far, some delays in shipping is not the end of the world.
  - giraffe_lady 3y ago
    Don't they have like one aircraft carrier each. Would be absolutely embarrassing to have it melted by Houthis.
    - hef19898 3y ago
      Last time I checked, Italy had two. Anyway, for now geo politics mean that taking the long way around, and not intervene with force, the smart decision for everyone involved.
      - KAMSPioneer 3y ago
        To be clear, the displacement of the aircraft carriers of the Italian navy are 30k tonnes and 14k tonnes. US carriers are about 100k tonnes, UK about 65k tonnes. I don't think they're really comparable, as US amphibious assault ships have greater displacement than the Italian carriers.
        hef19898 3y ago
        And yet, both can project force. Even using F-35s like the US Navy does. Not that any of that would help against Houthi rebels.
        KAMSPioneer 3y ago
        Absolutely capable of projecting force, yes. But the commenter above pointed out that it would be an big risk for a country with two (they said one, but it's two very small) ACs to send one of them into a war zone instead of trade ships simply going around. At least that's was my read of it. Although it's a worthwhile correction to say Italy's navy fields two ACs instead of one, I just don't think it's material to their point.
grenouille932 3y ago
French ships are still going through. CMA CGM just resumed shipping there. This entire issue is basically Israel trying to pretend the entire global supply chains are about to collapse if no one intervenes (keeping in mind they have their own navy, but declined to participate in operation Prosperity Guardian, despite them being the main target of the Houthi blockade...)

uluyol 3y ago

Israel has been begging for the US to get more involved. Like how they are provoking Hezbollah with their "double-tap" strikes.

tptacek 3y ago
Israel and Hezbollah have been in a low-grade state of war for over a decade. If Hezbollah hadn't diverted its energy to the Syrian Civil War, they might by now have been in a state of total war. Hezbollah has units dedicated to infiltrating and attacking targets in Israeli Galilee. My guess is, and I could be wrong, that it probably doesn't make sense to attribute a motive of "dragging the US in" to Israeli strikes on Hezbollah. In many ways, Israeli strikes on Hezbollah are far more ordinary than strikes in Gaza are.

thisisonthetest 3y ago

the theory I’ve heard says that’s extremely unlikely. The US only has ~80 destroyers most of which are protecting their super carriers. They don’t want to police the worlds oceans anymore. [1] https://youtu.be/mcZPOuI-vcU?feature=shared https://youtu.be/mcZPOuI-vcU?feature=shared