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I would've preferred that the identifying information of the person had been edited out. The phone's owner experienced a traumatic incident. Which furthermore
by neilv 3y ago
I would've preferred that the identifying information of the person had been edited out.
The phone's owner experienced a traumatic incident. Which furthermore is under investigation.
Posting some kind of photo feels OK, however, since finding the phone is arguably newsworthy. And the Twitter poster says that it was open to that email, suggesting that they didn't go snooping through the phone. A little privacy redaction/cropping would've helped.
- foota 3y agoMaybe they did this to help the phone find it's owner?
- ivan_gammel 3y agoPosting it online to find owner is absolutely unnecessary. The phone could be returned to the owner by contacting the airline.
- pxeboot 3y agoI imagine this will end up in an NTSB evidence warehouse for years.
- ars 3y agoNo it won't. They'll log where it landed and that's about it. What kind of of evidence do you think it has on it?
- pxeboot 3y agoIn prior incidents, I have heard it takes years before belongings left on the plane are returned. Devices sucked out of the aircraft seem like they would be more relevant than other items. 49 CFR § 830.10 appears to be one of the regulations on the subject [1]. [1] https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/49/830.10 https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/49/830.10
- tgsovlerkhgsel 3y agoWhile "that would be stupid" doesn't reliably keep government officials (or companies) from doing that thing, not returning the phone promptly would be a really dumb move. They're not going to learn much from the device, and a phone is something that is incredibly annoying to lose for any amount of time. If they keep it and it becomes known, people who e.g. took videos of incidents would become reluctant to come forward and share them, worried that the government might want to take the phone that recorded the video. They'd lose a lot of useful evidence in future cases, on top of the terrible PR it'd be. Edit: The agency also relies a lot on the goodwill of the public. Investigations work a lot better when school teacher Bob, finding an aircraft piece in his back yard, contacts the NTSB and tells them to come get it, rather than deciding to quickly bring it inside and turn it into a coffee table later. And public perception can totally make the difference between "this might help them, let me call them immediately" and "screw those guys, it's mine now, will make a really nice coffee table".
- ghaff 3y agoI wouldn’t pretend to know what the NTSB considers potentially useful. I would expect them to prioritize anything that could remotely help an investigation over getting an iPhone quickly back to its owner.
- rzzzt 3y agoAccelerometer and pressure readings could be useful.
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- emmelaich 3y agoMaj. Eaton : We have top men working on it right now. Indiana : Who? Maj. Eaton : Top... men.
- xuancanh 3y agoThe name in the email is a generic Vietnamese origin name, so while I agree with you about privacy, the post didn't expose much information about the owner.
- wannacboatmovie 3y agoI have to agree with this. Over 40% of Vietnamese share the same surname, and only about a dozen or so are in common usage. The name reveals very little about the owner.
- azinman2 3y agoBut how many on that flight?
- smcleod 3y agoJust going by the numbers I’d assume over 40% of the Vietnamese on the flight.
- urbandw311er 3y agoYou mean that 40% of the flight was Vietnamese, right? Because I don't think you'd fit 40% of the Vietnamese on a single plane.
- mewpmewp2 3y agoWhy do you think the Boeing had problems in the first place?
- Snow_Falls 3y agoAre you sure? I hear Boeing makes some very big planes...
- JumpCrisscross 3y ago> would've preferred that the identifying information of the person had been edited out Me too. But this is a faux pas at worst.
- imgabe 3y agoIt's crazy to me that the phone hasn't locked automatically. Do people really walk around with their phones set to never lock and turn the screen off? Mine times out after 5 minutes.
- rekoil 3y agoThe fact that it was pulled out of the plane (and didn't stay snug in its owners pocket) suggests it was being used at the time, and thus unlocked. And yeah, I tend to set my phone to never lock at times, probably not while traveling I guess, but it absolutely happens.
- addandsubtract 3y agoThe tweet said there was a broken off charging plug still in the phone. Maybe that kept it unlocked?
- stingraycharles 3y agoUnlikely, as plugging in a charger cable without electrical power has no effects on an iPhone.
- ksjskskskkk 3y agoa ripped cable might sort pins which might confused that logic. it's probably in connected mode but showing something like insufficient amps. simpler explanation, it's 2023 apple code...
- AriedK 3y agoEspecially since they did take the effort to redact the ending numbers of his creditcard number.
- saalweachter 3y agoAs a matter of principle, you should always redact names, at least down to initials; as a matter of practice, I am not sure the name is any more identifying than eg "Mike Johnson". If you had Mike Johnson and the last four digits of a credit card, you might be able to identifying him from a database of leaked PII, although there may be enough of them to get a collision on that. On the third hand, including the name doesn't really add anything to the story/image.
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- bogomipz 3y agoIt looks like they did redact the last 4 digits of the person's credit card number in the email. It seems odd they would have done this and not done the same for the name though.