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A lot of things went into my head: * The iPhone owner didn't put a password/passcode? * Damn, he paid Alaska $70 for baggage fee? * Now we know an iPhone wil

A lot of things went into my head: * The iPhone owner didn't put a password/passcode? * Damn, he paid Alaska $70 for baggage fee? * Now we know an iPhone will survive falling from the sky

wannacboatmovie 3y ago
Disabling auto-lock is definitely a thing, as anyone that's ever tried to use an iPhone in a car for navigation knows. It's very possible the phone has a passcode but was sucked out while someone was using it, and never put to sleep. Also worth noting the owner had a screen protector, so that may have quashed that everlasting debate.
- kiwijamo 3y ago
  When I use my phone for navigation it doesn't lock itself. I've observed this behaviour on iOS and Android.
  - wharvle 3y ago
    iOS kinda keeps the map open outside the lock (at least with Apple Maps). Everything else locks behind it. At least on mine.
    - Sebb767 3y ago
      The behavior I know is that (both iOS and Android) will open the map in foreground even when locked (for example by being turned off and on again via the power button), but it will never go to stand by and lock by itself as long as navigation is open.
    - SoftTalker 3y ago
      Google Maps stays open as well. The phone is locked, but the map stays active on the screen.
  - grotorea 3y ago
    There is an "don't lock" app feature, most obviously used by video apps but I've seen a couple others offering this feature.
- MenhirMike 3y ago
  Also, since the charging cable was technically still attached, I wonder if that turns it off as well.
  - ThePowerOfFuet 3y ago
    It doesn't. Auto-Lock would have had to be explicitly disabled.
dgrin91 3y ago
Doing a bit of research I found a few sources that say that the terminal velocity for a generic smartphone is ~20-40mph, which isn't that much. Lots of phones survive car crashes with higher speeds than that. Add to that landing on softer soil and maybe even breaking fall with branches and I'm not shocked it survived. No screen crack is pretty good though. Smartphone screens have gotten crazy good recently
- bagels 3y ago
  There's no way it's 20-40 mph. They're dense enough for much higher velocities.
  - lethal-radio 3y ago
    Confirmed on wolframalpha. Terminal velocity is about 9mph https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=terminal+velocity+of+an+iPhone&assumption=%7B%22F%22%2C+%22TimeToFall%3AWithDrag%22%2C+%22Cd%22%7D+-%3E%220.1%22&assumption=%7B%22F%22%2C+%22TimeToFall%3AWithDrag%22%2C+%22H%22%7D+-%3E%2212000+ft%22&assumption=%7B%22F%22%2C+%22TimeToFall%3AWithDrag%22%2C+%22d%22%7D+-%3E%2212000+ft%22&assumption=%7B%22F%22%2C+%22TimeToFall%3AWithDrag%22%2C+%22rho%22%7D+-%3E%221.29+kg%2Fm%5E3%22&assumption=%7B%22F%22%2C+%22TimeToFall%3AWithDrag%22%2C+%22A%22%7D+-%3E%221.28+m%5E2%22 https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=terminal+velocity+of+an...
    - bagels 3y ago
      Exactly one iphone had a mass that low, 5s. None of them have >1m^2 surface area.
    - tjmc 3y ago
      1.28sqm projected surface area? That's a very a big iphone.
      - xxs 3y ago
        >a very a big iphone. putting mildly, still it's lovely to see the mix the input of imperial and metric units. the 'fluid' density is quite wrong as well. 1.29 kg/m^3 -> almost 777 times lighter than water, it's similar to air. By its dimension iphone 15 should be around twice heavier than water.
whateveracct 3y ago
I have auto-lock disabled when I'm not in low power mode. Wish I could add an explicit toggle for it to my tray though.
pxeboot 3y ago
> Damn, he paid Alaska $70 for baggage fee? Looks like that was the price for 2 bags, and it was just increased for tickets purchased this year [1]. [1] https://www.alaskaair.com/content/travel-info/baggage/checked-bags https://www.alaskaair.com/content/travel-info/baggage/checke...
elzbardico 3y ago
Non technical users do some things that we don't even dream about doing, like setting auto-lock to "Never". EDIT: I see some people got offended with the bit about Non-Technical users and downvoted me to Hades. I apologize. Not everyone is paranoid like me.
- tavavex 3y ago
  I honestly feel like technical users would be using the "Never" setting more often than non-technical. When testing an app on the phone, it's really annoying having to re-unlock it because you looked away at a different screen for a while. Checking it on Android, never locking is a developer setting, regular display settings have a maximum of 30 minutes.
  - zulln 3y ago
    iOS has a few options between 30 seconds and five minutes and then one at never.
    - bombcar 3y ago
      They should add 10/30/catastrophic decompression/fall from altitude.
- TwoNineFive 3y ago
  No, you are right, the plebs are wrong. It's a feelz > realz world where people vote with their feelz and you made them feel bad because they are doing dumb bad things. It should always be possible to set a device timeout to never and allow WEP56 auth on your WiFi AP, but there should be a warning about the implications.
- planb 3y ago
  I have auto lock disabled, because I'm the one to decide when I don't need to look at my screen anymore. But that's different from not requiring faceid/passcode upon unlock.
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stephenr 3y ago
> Damn, he paid Alaska $70 for baggage fee? Based on https://www.alaskaair.com/content/travel-info/baggage/checked-bags https://www.alaskaair.com/content/travel-info/baggage/checke... it seems like that would be just two checked bags (not two extra bags, two bags!) and is irrelevant of your seat class? Be lucky the poor bloke didn't need a third bag, that's when it gets really expensive. I guess I just have to chalk this up to yet another case of oddities in American flights I can't relate to.
- spuz 3y ago
  Well in Europe, you pay about £23 per flight just for a carry-on bag and £30 per flight for a check-in bag so I'm not sure things are any different here.
  - stephenr 3y ago
    To be clear: I'm not European nor do I live in Europe. I just looked up a flight, for example London to Paris. The cheapest BA ticket includes hand luggage for £57 each way, or the next option with checked baggage is £14 more. I'm sure there probably are cheap-and-shit airlines that include nothing with the ticket price as you mention, but there clearly are also options where you pay a small fraction more (and certainly less than "additional baggage" charges) and have baggage included.
    - ghaff 3y ago
      A lot of Europeans fly those chip as shit airlines within Europe.
      - stephenr 3y ago
        That's their choice - the comment I replied to phrased it as if every airline charges extra for any baggage of any kind, not that cheap airlines charge for 'extras'.
        relativ575 3y ago
bombcar 3y ago
Given the circumstances Alaska should refund the baggage fee
- chihuahua 3y ago
  I expect they will fight that refund tooth and nail.
  - bombcar 3y ago
    If I were an airline I’d have a flat “refund all tickets and fees for any flight involving the NTSB” policy.
- lostlogin 3y ago
  Boeing should cover Alaska’s costs.
unglaublich 3y ago
Lufthansa wanted $450,- for an oversized bag (300cm sides, 30kg) on a 3h flight. Awful company.
- astrange 3y ago
  I flew them recently and was amazed at how low quality the English text on all their websites/emails was. It's about as bad as you'd see in Asia 15 years ago. They did let me prepurchase a pretzel though. (And then never gave it to me on the flight.)
- bombcar 3y ago
  It’s often cheaper to upgrade to first (and get free oversize bags) than to play the baggage fee. Always check!
- butlike 3y ago
  Fuck Lufthansa. I bought a round trip, but bought a different flight out for circumstances not pertinent to the story. Anyways, on the return trip, they wouldn't let me check-in, for a flight leaving in 2 hours, with a valid ticket through them, because I didn't take the departure flight out. I STILL don't understand the angle there, but I learned you can buy a plane ticket to anywhere in the world (except Australia and NZ), day-of; for about $2500.
  - lbschenkel 3y ago
    I'm just the messenger and I'm not claiming it's fair, but this is standard procedure everywhere in the world: when you buy a round-trip ticket (single PNR), if you are a no-show for any leg then you're forfeiting the whole ticket. If the ticket for example includes a train ride to the airport, and you don't show up for the train ride, you're forfeiting the flight as well. Some airlines might not enforce that if you're deemed an important enough customer for them, but I just want to bring this up because being a no-show in the outbound flight and keeping the return flight is not a right that customers have in general, basically in any IATA airline. It's not really Lufthansa specific, those are rules that the whole industry applies.

A lot of things went into my head: * The iPhone owner didn't put a password/passcode? * Damn, he paid Alaska $70 for baggage fee? * Now we know an iPhone will survive falling from the sky

wannacboatmovie 3y ago

Disabling auto-lock is definitely a thing, as anyone that's ever tried to use an iPhone in a car for navigation knows. It's very possible the phone has a passcode but was sucked out while someone was using it, and never put to sleep. Also worth noting the owner had a screen protector, so that may have quashed that everlasting debate.

kiwijamo 3y ago
When I use my phone for navigation it doesn't lock itself. I've observed this behaviour on iOS and Android.
- wharvle 3y ago
  iOS kinda keeps the map open outside the lock (at least with Apple Maps). Everything else locks behind it. At least on mine.
  - Sebb767 3y ago
    The behavior I know is that (both iOS and Android) will open the map in foreground even when locked (for example by being turned off and on again via the power button), but it will never go to stand by and lock by itself as long as navigation is open.
  - SoftTalker 3y ago
    Google Maps stays open as well. The phone is locked, but the map stays active on the screen.
- grotorea 3y ago
  There is an "don't lock" app feature, most obviously used by video apps but I've seen a couple others offering this feature.
MenhirMike 3y ago
Also, since the charging cable was technically still attached, I wonder if that turns it off as well.
- ThePowerOfFuet 3y ago
  It doesn't. Auto-Lock would have had to be explicitly disabled.

dgrin91 3y ago

Doing a bit of research I found a few sources that say that the terminal velocity for a generic smartphone is ~20-40mph, which isn't that much. Lots of phones survive car crashes with higher speeds than that. Add to that landing on softer soil and maybe even breaking fall with branches and I'm not shocked it survived. No screen crack is pretty good though. Smartphone screens have gotten crazy good recently

bagels 3y ago
There's no way it's 20-40 mph. They're dense enough for much higher velocities.
- lethal-radio 3y ago
  Confirmed on wolframalpha. Terminal velocity is about 9mph https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=terminal+velocity+of+an+iPhone&assumption=%7B%22F%22%2C+%22TimeToFall%3AWithDrag%22%2C+%22Cd%22%7D+-%3E%220.1%22&assumption=%7B%22F%22%2C+%22TimeToFall%3AWithDrag%22%2C+%22H%22%7D+-%3E%2212000+ft%22&assumption=%7B%22F%22%2C+%22TimeToFall%3AWithDrag%22%2C+%22d%22%7D+-%3E%2212000+ft%22&assumption=%7B%22F%22%2C+%22TimeToFall%3AWithDrag%22%2C+%22rho%22%7D+-%3E%221.29+kg%2Fm%5E3%22&assumption=%7B%22F%22%2C+%22TimeToFall%3AWithDrag%22%2C+%22A%22%7D+-%3E%221.28+m%5E2%22 https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=terminal+velocity+of+an...
  - bagels 3y ago
    Exactly one iphone had a mass that low, 5s. None of them have >1m^2 surface area.
  - tjmc 3y ago
    1.28sqm projected surface area? That's a very a big iphone.
    - xxs 3y ago
      >a very a big iphone. putting mildly, still it's lovely to see the mix the input of imperial and metric units. the 'fluid' density is quite wrong as well. 1.29 kg/m^3 -> almost 777 times lighter than water, it's similar to air. By its dimension iphone 15 should be around twice heavier than water.

whateveracct 3y ago

I have auto-lock disabled when I'm not in low power mode. Wish I could add an explicit toggle for it to my tray though.

pxeboot 3y ago

> Damn, he paid Alaska $70 for baggage fee? Looks like that was the price for 2 bags, and it was just increased for tickets purchased this year [1]. [1] https://www.alaskaair.com/content/travel-info/baggage/checked-bags https://www.alaskaair.com/content/travel-info/baggage/checke...

elzbardico 3y ago

Non technical users do some things that we don't even dream about doing, like setting auto-lock to "Never". EDIT: I see some people got offended with the bit about Non-Technical users and downvoted me to Hades. I apologize. Not everyone is paranoid like me.

tavavex 3y ago
I honestly feel like technical users would be using the "Never" setting more often than non-technical. When testing an app on the phone, it's really annoying having to re-unlock it because you looked away at a different screen for a while. Checking it on Android, never locking is a developer setting, regular display settings have a maximum of 30 minutes.
- zulln 3y ago
  iOS has a few options between 30 seconds and five minutes and then one at never.
  - bombcar 3y ago
    They should add 10/30/catastrophic decompression/fall from altitude.
TwoNineFive 3y ago
No, you are right, the plebs are wrong. It's a feelz > realz world where people vote with their feelz and you made them feel bad because they are doing dumb bad things. It should always be possible to set a device timeout to never and allow WEP56 auth on your WiFi AP, but there should be a warning about the implications.
planb 3y ago
I have auto lock disabled, because I'm the one to decide when I don't need to look at my screen anymore. But that's different from not requiring faceid/passcode upon unlock.
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stephenr 3y ago

> Damn, he paid Alaska $70 for baggage fee? Based on https://www.alaskaair.com/content/travel-info/baggage/checked-bags https://www.alaskaair.com/content/travel-info/baggage/checke... it seems like that would be just two checked bags (not two extra bags, two bags!) and is irrelevant of your seat class? Be lucky the poor bloke didn't need a third bag, that's when it gets really expensive. I guess I just have to chalk this up to yet another case of oddities in American flights I can't relate to.

spuz 3y ago
Well in Europe, you pay about £23 per flight just for a carry-on bag and £30 per flight for a check-in bag so I'm not sure things are any different here.
- stephenr 3y ago
  To be clear: I'm not European nor do I live in Europe. I just looked up a flight, for example London to Paris. The cheapest BA ticket includes hand luggage for £57 each way, or the next option with checked baggage is £14 more. I'm sure there probably are cheap-and-shit airlines that include nothing with the ticket price as you mention, but there clearly are also options where you pay a small fraction more (and certainly less than "additional baggage" charges) and have baggage included.
  - ghaff 3y ago
    A lot of Europeans fly those chip as shit airlines within Europe.
    - stephenr 3y ago
      That's their choice - the comment I replied to phrased it as if every airline charges extra for any baggage of any kind, not that cheap airlines charge for 'extras'.
      - relativ575 3y ago

bombcar 3y ago

Given the circumstances Alaska should refund the baggage fee

chihuahua 3y ago
I expect they will fight that refund tooth and nail.
- bombcar 3y ago
  If I were an airline I’d have a flat “refund all tickets and fees for any flight involving the NTSB” policy.
lostlogin 3y ago
Boeing should cover Alaska’s costs.

unglaublich 3y ago

Lufthansa wanted $450,- for an oversized bag (300cm sides, 30kg) on a 3h flight. Awful company.

astrange 3y ago
I flew them recently and was amazed at how low quality the English text on all their websites/emails was. It's about as bad as you'd see in Asia 15 years ago. They did let me prepurchase a pretzel though. (And then never gave it to me on the flight.)
bombcar 3y ago
It’s often cheaper to upgrade to first (and get free oversize bags) than to play the baggage fee. Always check!
butlike 3y ago
Fuck Lufthansa. I bought a round trip, but bought a different flight out for circumstances not pertinent to the story. Anyways, on the return trip, they wouldn't let me check-in, for a flight leaving in 2 hours, with a valid ticket through them, because I didn't take the departure flight out. I STILL don't understand the angle there, but I learned you can buy a plane ticket to anywhere in the world (except Australia and NZ), day-of; for about $2500.
- lbschenkel 3y ago
  I'm just the messenger and I'm not claiming it's fair, but this is standard procedure everywhere in the world: when you buy a round-trip ticket (single PNR), if you are a no-show for any leg then you're forfeiting the whole ticket. If the ticket for example includes a train ride to the airport, and you don't show up for the train ride, you're forfeiting the flight as well. Some airlines might not enforce that if you're deemed an important enough customer for them, but I just want to bring this up because being a no-show in the outbound flight and keeping the return flight is not a right that customers have in general, basically in any IATA airline. It's not really Lufthansa specific, those are rules that the whole industry applies.