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Children don’t vote. If they would only get up off their butts and vote, they’d get some representation. Imagine what they could do if they pooled all their lun

Children don’t vote. If they would only get up off their butts and vote, they’d get some representation. Imagine what they could do if they pooled all their lunch money and started a SuperPAC! Then Congress would take notice. Their parents sure as hell aren’t going to do the voting for them. They just want lower taxes.

redeeman 3y ago
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- throwup238 3y ago
  There’s always Somalia. I heard it’s got great schools, if “child soldier” is what you aspire your children to be. But hey at least no one will be there to “steal” your hard earned currency that was minted by a central government or build you those pesky roads or whatever.
  - redeeman 3y ago
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    - bediger4000 3y ago
      That's not what OP was talking about. You can do better.
  - rad_gruchalski 3y ago
    There are 15 other places in the world. Somalia isn’t the only one: https://nomadcapitalist.com/global-citizen/countries-no-income-tax/ https://nomadcapitalist.com/global-citizen/countries-no-inco....
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- lumost 3y ago
  I like roads, and indoor plumbing. I like living in urban environments that are well thought out and enjoy the ability to efficiently travel to natural destinations. I also enjoy safety nets of the social and judicial varieties, and the innovations of research institutions. Living without fear of a horse coming over the horizon is also a nice benefit. If this could all be done without taxes, that would be nice. But I doubt the above could be achieved via voluntary payment without living in a dystopian world ruled by an oligarchy.
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- skissane 3y ago
  > isnt it funny how we have invented words like "taxes", so that it can be presented as something you want to be graciously given when you want it lowered, rather than you wish to resist someone coming to enslave you, take half your working life away from you, under the threat of imprisonment and your kids being placed with a foster family. Should we compare taxes to slavery, or to rent? If you refuse to pay your rent, you can end up homeless, and then they may indeed take your children away from you. Many places still have anti-vagrancy laws on the books–even if very inconsistently enforced–so if they really want to, they can imprison you for homelessness too. Even if you own your own home – you bought it (or the land it is built on) from somebody else, who bought it from somebody else, and so on. In settler-colonial countries such as the US, Canada or Australia, the chain of title almost always ends in a government land grant. So if the government which claims the right to tax your private property (and its inhabitants) is illegitimate, your own title to that property isn't legitimate either. That government land grant was issued subject to the condition that grantee and occupants pay taxes, and nemo dat quod non habet (the buyer can have no better title than the seller). True freehold doesn't really exist, all freehold titles are really a form of leasehold (transferrable leases), with the sovereign state as the ultimate landlord–and if you don't like it, you can always choose to rent from some other landlord instead, aka emigration. If you are an indigenous person, you may indeed have a valid argument that your ancestors' ownership of the land long predates the existence of the current government, and hence the taxes it levies are a form of theft from you. But if you aren't indigenous, then that argument doesn't stand up to scrutiny.

redeeman 3y ago

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throwup238 3y ago
There’s always Somalia. I heard it’s got great schools, if “child soldier” is what you aspire your children to be. But hey at least no one will be there to “steal” your hard earned currency that was minted by a central government or build you those pesky roads or whatever.
- redeeman 3y ago
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  - bediger4000 3y ago
    That's not what OP was talking about. You can do better.
- rad_gruchalski 3y ago
  There are 15 other places in the world. Somalia isn’t the only one: https://nomadcapitalist.com/global-citizen/countries-no-income-tax/ https://nomadcapitalist.com/global-citizen/countries-no-inco....
- redeeman 3y ago
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lumost 3y ago
I like roads, and indoor plumbing. I like living in urban environments that are well thought out and enjoy the ability to efficiently travel to natural destinations. I also enjoy safety nets of the social and judicial varieties, and the innovations of research institutions. Living without fear of a horse coming over the horizon is also a nice benefit. If this could all be done without taxes, that would be nice. But I doubt the above could be achieved via voluntary payment without living in a dystopian world ruled by an oligarchy.
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skissane 3y ago
> isnt it funny how we have invented words like "taxes", so that it can be presented as something you want to be graciously given when you want it lowered, rather than you wish to resist someone coming to enslave you, take half your working life away from you, under the threat of imprisonment and your kids being placed with a foster family. Should we compare taxes to slavery, or to rent? If you refuse to pay your rent, you can end up homeless, and then they may indeed take your children away from you. Many places still have anti-vagrancy laws on the books–even if very inconsistently enforced–so if they really want to, they can imprison you for homelessness too. Even if you own your own home – you bought it (or the land it is built on) from somebody else, who bought it from somebody else, and so on. In settler-colonial countries such as the US, Canada or Australia, the chain of title almost always ends in a government land grant. So if the government which claims the right to tax your private property (and its inhabitants) is illegitimate, your own title to that property isn't legitimate either. That government land grant was issued subject to the condition that grantee and occupants pay taxes, and nemo dat quod non habet (the buyer can have no better title than the seller). True freehold doesn't really exist, all freehold titles are really a form of leasehold (transferrable leases), with the sovereign state as the ultimate landlord–and if you don't like it, you can always choose to rent from some other landlord instead, aka emigration. If you are an indigenous person, you may indeed have a valid argument that your ancestors' ownership of the land long predates the existence of the current government, and hence the taxes it levies are a form of theft from you. But if you aren't indigenous, then that argument doesn't stand up to scrutiny.