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I have made the decision that unless I absolutely can’t avoid it I am avoiding Boeing for the near future entirely. But a 737 max is full no go for me no matte

I have made the decision that unless I absolutely can’t avoid it I am avoiding Boeing for the near future entirely. But a 737 max is full no go for me no matter what the situation is. I will do multiple stops before stepping foot on one. Personally I fly exclusively JetBlue in the US and they use Airbus almost exclusively. They have a few of whatever that other brand is. No Boeing.

Symbiote 3y ago
Embraer, the Brazilian-made aircraft. They're being replaced with Airbus A220s, which was called a Bombardier CSeries before Airbus bought Bombardier's airliner division.
- zekrioca 3y ago
  (Embraer) which Boeing tried buying but the deal was reverted due to the failure of the 737-max..
  - riffraff 3y ago
    Wait, what? How did that caused the deal to fall apart? (I was actually under the impression this acquisition had happened until a few minutes ago)
    - marcosdumay 3y ago
      I thought that too. From Wikipedia: > in April 2020 Boeing terminated the joint venture deal due to impact of the 2019–20 coronavirus pandemic on aviation and market uncertainty. Embraer alleges that the financial impact of the Boeing 737 MAX groundings contributed to the demise of the deal So, the deal was broken before both governments had time to decide if they allowed it. (I do remember some of Embraer clients canceling orders in 2020. AFAIK, they are still bottlenecked by their manufacturing capacity.)
      - stjohnswarts 3y ago
        Didn't it look like Brazilian government was almost 100% gonna have it called off because of the "hit" to national reputation? (losing one of their largest and most internationally famous powerhouses)
        marcosdumay 3y ago
        It didn't look that way to me. But then, I'm not good at guessing this.
binoct 3y ago
Please don’t read this as a defense of Boeing, especially the MAX series aircraft, but from a flyer-safety standpoint the statistics show most Boeing aircraft in operation today are extremely safe. The post-200 series 737s, not including the MAX, have some of the largest accumulated flight miles and lowest incident rates of any aircraft ever. The 777 and 747-400 also have exceptional safety records. Even the aging 757 and 767 fleets have only slightly higher rates. The 787, though relatively newer and with plenty of documented early issues has had no passenger fatalities that I’m aware of. Just some food for thought.
- nerdjon 3y ago
  That is valid and that’s why I am not quite No Boeing. But it’s a last choice for me, if the choice exists and I am willing to put up with some inconveniences. Especially given that this seems to be a manufacturing problem and not a problem with the series itself, does have me worried about other planes even on those other lines if it is a fundamental issue with Boeing in recent years.
- tavavex 3y ago
  I assume that a lot of people here want to avoid the 737s not necessarily because they're scared for their lives, but as a way to show disapproval to Boeing. Like, I won't avoid flying a 737 Max if it's the only option for flying, but I generally prefer to pick a different manufacturer if it's available. On a large scale, many people avoiding a specific aircraft model puts pressure on airlines to not start or continue ordering said model.
- blibble 3y ago
  > but from a flyer-safety standpoint the statistics show most Boeing aircraft in operation today are extremely safe. it's the ones being delivered right now I'm particularly worried about such as the two month old one here where the side fell off
101008 3y ago
I have booked a 10 hours flight to NYC with Americna Airlines and I think the craft is a 772-boeing 777. Should it be OK? I am scared now...
- extractionmech 3y ago
  The ancients reached for divination methods when reason failed them. You on the other hand can write a quick python script with a random number source in it.
  - StimDeck 3y ago
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Symbiote 3y ago

Embraer, the Brazilian-made aircraft. They're being replaced with Airbus A220s, which was called a Bombardier CSeries before Airbus bought Bombardier's airliner division.

zekrioca 3y ago
(Embraer) which Boeing tried buying but the deal was reverted due to the failure of the 737-max..
- riffraff 3y ago
  Wait, what? How did that caused the deal to fall apart? (I was actually under the impression this acquisition had happened until a few minutes ago)
  - marcosdumay 3y ago
    I thought that too. From Wikipedia: > in April 2020 Boeing terminated the joint venture deal due to impact of the 2019–20 coronavirus pandemic on aviation and market uncertainty. Embraer alleges that the financial impact of the Boeing 737 MAX groundings contributed to the demise of the deal So, the deal was broken before both governments had time to decide if they allowed it. (I do remember some of Embraer clients canceling orders in 2020. AFAIK, they are still bottlenecked by their manufacturing capacity.)
    - stjohnswarts 3y ago
      Didn't it look like Brazilian government was almost 100% gonna have it called off because of the "hit" to national reputation? (losing one of their largest and most internationally famous powerhouses)
      - marcosdumay 3y ago
        It didn't look that way to me. But then, I'm not good at guessing this.

binoct 3y ago

Please don’t read this as a defense of Boeing, especially the MAX series aircraft, but from a flyer-safety standpoint the statistics show most Boeing aircraft in operation today are extremely safe. The post-200 series 737s, not including the MAX, have some of the largest accumulated flight miles and lowest incident rates of any aircraft ever. The 777 and 747-400 also have exceptional safety records. Even the aging 757 and 767 fleets have only slightly higher rates. The 787, though relatively newer and with plenty of documented early issues has had no passenger fatalities that I’m aware of. Just some food for thought.

nerdjon 3y ago
That is valid and that’s why I am not quite No Boeing. But it’s a last choice for me, if the choice exists and I am willing to put up with some inconveniences. Especially given that this seems to be a manufacturing problem and not a problem with the series itself, does have me worried about other planes even on those other lines if it is a fundamental issue with Boeing in recent years.
tavavex 3y ago
I assume that a lot of people here want to avoid the 737s not necessarily because they're scared for their lives, but as a way to show disapproval to Boeing. Like, I won't avoid flying a 737 Max if it's the only option for flying, but I generally prefer to pick a different manufacturer if it's available. On a large scale, many people avoiding a specific aircraft model puts pressure on airlines to not start or continue ordering said model.
blibble 3y ago
> but from a flyer-safety standpoint the statistics show most Boeing aircraft in operation today are extremely safe. it's the ones being delivered right now I'm particularly worried about such as the two month old one here where the side fell off

101008 3y ago

I have booked a 10 hours flight to NYC with Americna Airlines and I think the craft is a 772-boeing 777. Should it be OK? I am scared now...

extractionmech 3y ago
The ancients reached for divination methods when reason failed them. You on the other hand can write a quick python script with a random number source in it.
- StimDeck 3y ago
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