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Yeah, I doubt we'll ever see on in the UK because of licensing issues. That said, it's also range extended so 50kWh is ample. I would hazard a guess it would d

Yeah, I doubt we'll ever see on in the UK because of licensing issues. That said, it's also range extended so 50kWh is ample. I would hazard a guess it would do about 100 miles on battery alone.

gambiting 3y ago
It literally says in the article - the EV only range is 180km(about 110 miles), the fuel tank is 75 litres, giving it a combined range of 1000km(600 miles). Tbh that's an awful combined range and it shows how heavy and inefficient the car is. My Volvo XC60 PHEV only has about 50km EV-only range, but combined with its 75 litre tank it can easily do 1000km, no problem.
- manmal 3y ago
  Both can do 1k km on 75l, so apart from the Volvo‘s smaller battery, where‘s the difference for the end user? I think it’s a waste of materials to build such cars, but given the weight the consumption seems impressive.
  - gambiting 3y ago
    Both cars are plug in hybrids - you need to charge them externally to get the most out of them. BYD needs literally 5x the electricity of the Volvo(50kWh Vs 10kWh) for the same range, so the owner is definitely going to notice it on their energy bill.
    - buran77 3y ago
      > BYD needs literally 5x the electricity of the Volvo(50kWh Vs 10kWh) for the same range Which "same range"? Did you just calculate electric efficiency using the total range including gasoline? In that case your PHEV needs an infinite times the electricity of a car driving on gasoline alone. If anything on paper the U8 is 10% more efficient (Volvo says 50km from the 15kWh battery, not 10kWh). With gasoline factored in you have two vehicles with equal 1000km range despite the U8 being significantly heavier. You can argue that the CLTC isn't nearly as accurate as the WLTP and you'd be right but you still need to check your math and/or logic above.
      - gambiting 3y ago
        >>Which "same range"? Volvo can do 1000km using 75 litres of petrol + 10kWh of electricity(and it is 10kWh in my model, 15kWh is a newer one). BYD can do 1000km using 75 litres of petrol + 50kWh of electricity. The math on this is very simple, no?
        abenga 3y ago
        Sounds like they have the same range. Different power efficiency, for sure, but they do have the same range fully fueled and charged.
        gambiting 3y ago
        .....which is exactly what I said. I complained about BYD's efficiency not range.
        oefrha 3y ago
        Using current U.S. numbers [1][2]: average electricity price is $0.162/kWh, might be cheaper off peak or with solar roof; average gas price is $3.083/gal ($0.815/L) for regular, and $3.885/gal ($1.026/L) for premium which is recommended for your Volvo. So, with regular gas: 75L + 50kWh: 75 * 0.815 + 50 * 0.162 = 69.225 75L + 10kWh: 75 * 0.815 + 10 * 0.162 = 63.525 A difference of 10.3%. With premium gas: 75L + 50kWh: 75 * 1.026 + 50 * 0.162 = 85.050 75L + 10kWh: 75 * 1.026 + 10 * 0.162 = 78.570 A difference of 8.2%. You failed to mention it's the gas part that's frigging expensive. [1] https://www.energybot.com/electricity-rates/ https://www.energybot.com/electricity-rates/ [2] https://gasprices.aaa.com/ https://gasprices.aaa.com/
        gambiting 3y ago
        I'm not in the US. In Europe my Volvo doesn't require premium 98 octane , regular 95 is fine. I appreciate the calculation but I don't know why you're trying so hard to escape the fact that the BYD needs 40kWh more(!!!!!) to travel the same distance(combined with 75 litres of petrol) - it's not hard to see that(as I said 70 comments ago) the BYD is a heavier and less efficient car. There isn't much to argue with here(or at least I wouldn't think so?).
    - manmal 3y ago
      The old XC60 can do 50km on 9.1kWh of battery - that’s 18kWh per 100km - IMO that’s super optimistic for an SUV of that size (and assumes no heating, AC, lights etc), but let’s assume it holds. The BYD can do 180km on a 50kWh battery, that’s 28kWh per 100km. How did you arrive at 5x worse? It’s not even 2x worse. And again, I don’t buy the 50km claim from Volvo, outside of perfect conditions (eg daytime in May, no rain, no AC, low air resistance).
      - gambiting 3y ago
        I have done 52km in the past before the ICE kicked in(in perfect conditons, but yes). >>How did you arrive at 5x worse You have two cars, they both are fully charged and fueled up. They both drive 1000km and then stop. They both burnt 75 litres of petrol, but one used 10kWh of electricity, the other used 50kWh of electricity. How much more electricity has the second car used Vs the first one?
        manmal 3y ago
        Well you‘re making the error of assuming that charging the PHEV before a trip is required. Also, the fact that the BYD is 5x more electricity costs is almost irrelevant for a 1k km trip, because there‘s just an $8 difference for the whole trip, assuming $0.2 per kWh. On shorter trips, the BYD will come out on top because it can go on battery for way longer, which is (even at 27kWh/100km) cheaper than the Volvo on gasoline/Diesel. The charging functionality is just a bonus for hybrids (I doubt many people drive a big part of their mileage electric by plugging in). Primarily, the battery serves to conserve energy while decelerating. The BYD obviously also uses the battery as a buffer for its range extender, but the Volvo doesn’t do that.
        gambiting 3y ago
        >>Well you‘re making the error of assuming that charging the PHEV before a trip is required No, I'm literally going off what the manufacturer said - 1000km range when the battery charge and fuel tank are combined. That's it. People keep making comparisons for shorter trips, for driving with an empty battery, for driving on battery range only etc etc etc - all of it misses the point I'm making. >>I doubt many people drive a big part of their mileage electric by plugging in). If they don't, then why buy a PHEV at all? If you have a PHEV and never plug it in, then your efficiency will be worse than that of a simple MHEV or even a straight up ICE-only car.
dangus 3y ago
If I lived in China I wouldn’t give a shit about range. I would have access to the world’s premier high speed rail network.
- dudisubekti 3y ago
  Some scenic parts of China are really far from HSR network, and this car is for people who want to visit those places
  - Symbiote 3y ago
    Isn't it a car for people who live in big cities, but want to give the impression that they visit such places?
    - dudisubekti 3y ago
      At this price range, I think the people that buy this car no longer need to work and can go wherever they want, or actually need it for work lol

Yeah, I doubt we'll ever see on in the UK because of licensing issues. That said, it's also range extended so 50kWh is ample. I would hazard a guess it would do about 100 miles on battery alone.

gambiting 3y ago

It literally says in the article - the EV only range is 180km(about 110 miles), the fuel tank is 75 litres, giving it a combined range of 1000km(600 miles). Tbh that's an awful combined range and it shows how heavy and inefficient the car is. My Volvo XC60 PHEV only has about 50km EV-only range, but combined with its 75 litre tank it can easily do 1000km, no problem.

manmal 3y ago
Both can do 1k km on 75l, so apart from the Volvo‘s smaller battery, where‘s the difference for the end user? I think it’s a waste of materials to build such cars, but given the weight the consumption seems impressive.
- gambiting 3y ago
  Both cars are plug in hybrids - you need to charge them externally to get the most out of them. BYD needs literally 5x the electricity of the Volvo(50kWh Vs 10kWh) for the same range, so the owner is definitely going to notice it on their energy bill.
  - buran77 3y ago
    > BYD needs literally 5x the electricity of the Volvo(50kWh Vs 10kWh) for the same range Which "same range"? Did you just calculate electric efficiency using the total range including gasoline? In that case your PHEV needs an infinite times the electricity of a car driving on gasoline alone. If anything on paper the U8 is 10% more efficient (Volvo says 50km from the 15kWh battery, not 10kWh). With gasoline factored in you have two vehicles with equal 1000km range despite the U8 being significantly heavier. You can argue that the CLTC isn't nearly as accurate as the WLTP and you'd be right but you still need to check your math and/or logic above.
    - gambiting 3y ago
      >>Which "same range"? Volvo can do 1000km using 75 litres of petrol + 10kWh of electricity(and it is 10kWh in my model, 15kWh is a newer one). BYD can do 1000km using 75 litres of petrol + 50kWh of electricity. The math on this is very simple, no?
      - abenga 3y ago
        Sounds like they have the same range. Different power efficiency, for sure, but they do have the same range fully fueled and charged.
        gambiting 3y ago
        .....which is exactly what I said. I complained about BYD's efficiency not range.
      - oefrha 3y ago
        Using current U.S. numbers [1][2]: average electricity price is $0.162/kWh, might be cheaper off peak or with solar roof; average gas price is $3.083/gal ($0.815/L) for regular, and $3.885/gal ($1.026/L) for premium which is recommended for your Volvo. So, with regular gas: 75L + 50kWh: 75 * 0.815 + 50 * 0.162 = 69.225 75L + 10kWh: 75 * 0.815 + 10 * 0.162 = 63.525 A difference of 10.3%. With premium gas: 75L + 50kWh: 75 * 1.026 + 50 * 0.162 = 85.050 75L + 10kWh: 75 * 1.026 + 10 * 0.162 = 78.570 A difference of 8.2%. You failed to mention it's the gas part that's frigging expensive. [1] https://www.energybot.com/electricity-rates/ https://www.energybot.com/electricity-rates/ [2] https://gasprices.aaa.com/ https://gasprices.aaa.com/
        gambiting 3y ago
        I'm not in the US. In Europe my Volvo doesn't require premium 98 octane , regular 95 is fine. I appreciate the calculation but I don't know why you're trying so hard to escape the fact that the BYD needs 40kWh more(!!!!!) to travel the same distance(combined with 75 litres of petrol) - it's not hard to see that(as I said 70 comments ago) the BYD is a heavier and less efficient car. There isn't much to argue with here(or at least I wouldn't think so?).
  - manmal 3y ago
    The old XC60 can do 50km on 9.1kWh of battery - that’s 18kWh per 100km - IMO that’s super optimistic for an SUV of that size (and assumes no heating, AC, lights etc), but let’s assume it holds. The BYD can do 180km on a 50kWh battery, that’s 28kWh per 100km. How did you arrive at 5x worse? It’s not even 2x worse. And again, I don’t buy the 50km claim from Volvo, outside of perfect conditions (eg daytime in May, no rain, no AC, low air resistance).
    - gambiting 3y ago
      I have done 52km in the past before the ICE kicked in(in perfect conditons, but yes). >>How did you arrive at 5x worse You have two cars, they both are fully charged and fueled up. They both drive 1000km and then stop. They both burnt 75 litres of petrol, but one used 10kWh of electricity, the other used 50kWh of electricity. How much more electricity has the second car used Vs the first one?
      - manmal 3y ago
        Well you‘re making the error of assuming that charging the PHEV before a trip is required. Also, the fact that the BYD is 5x more electricity costs is almost irrelevant for a 1k km trip, because there‘s just an $8 difference for the whole trip, assuming $0.2 per kWh. On shorter trips, the BYD will come out on top because it can go on battery for way longer, which is (even at 27kWh/100km) cheaper than the Volvo on gasoline/Diesel. The charging functionality is just a bonus for hybrids (I doubt many people drive a big part of their mileage electric by plugging in). Primarily, the battery serves to conserve energy while decelerating. The BYD obviously also uses the battery as a buffer for its range extender, but the Volvo doesn’t do that.
        gambiting 3y ago
        >>Well you‘re making the error of assuming that charging the PHEV before a trip is required No, I'm literally going off what the manufacturer said - 1000km range when the battery charge and fuel tank are combined. That's it. People keep making comparisons for shorter trips, for driving with an empty battery, for driving on battery range only etc etc etc - all of it misses the point I'm making. >>I doubt many people drive a big part of their mileage electric by plugging in). If they don't, then why buy a PHEV at all? If you have a PHEV and never plug it in, then your efficiency will be worse than that of a simple MHEV or even a straight up ICE-only car.

dangus 3y ago

If I lived in China I wouldn’t give a shit about range. I would have access to the world’s premier high speed rail network.

dudisubekti 3y ago
Some scenic parts of China are really far from HSR network, and this car is for people who want to visit those places
- Symbiote 3y ago
  Isn't it a car for people who live in big cities, but want to give the impression that they visit such places?
  - dudisubekti 3y ago
    At this price range, I think the people that buy this car no longer need to work and can go wherever they want, or actually need it for work lol