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Or when you report people advocating violence to others. I haven't done it often, but 100% of the time I've hit "report" on something advocating violence towar

Or when you report people advocating violence to others. I haven't done it often, but 100% of the time I've hit "report" on something advocating violence towards a specific individual, the automated response has come back and told me the comment had been reviewed and was within the rules. The most memorable time was a death threat to a politician -- not that I agreed or disagreed with that politician, it was another country where I don't have skin in the game; I was just an onlooker really shocked by violent rhetoric.

switch007 3y ago
Same on Insta. Comment so obviously telling someone to commit suicide and it was perfectly acceptable to them.
- bombcar 3y ago
  They didn't even have to go to the "get free Canadian healthcare" indirect reference? Comments sections are shitholes.
  - switch007 3y ago
    IIRC the comment was "KEYS without the E" ( = KYS = Kill Your Self). Ok not obvious to everyone, but I explained clearly in the report, and that with like 3 seconds of Googling the recipient will figure it out, if not already obvious to them.
    - bombcar 3y ago
      Honestly a bit surprised on that one, usually things like that get handled. Then again, modern moderation is provided by the most bargain basement person or AI capable (and as it moves to AI it will be amusing in a horrifying way how people get around it).
reactordev 3y ago
FB’s advertising algorithm just loves a good hate post. It brings people together like no other. Ignore the fact they are arguing and threatening to kill each other, look at those views! /s
joshmanders 3y ago
They also don't do shit about racism. I had a friend murdered by her boyfriend and because he was black, when the story broke her personal facebook was flooded with racist comments towards her for a while, even years after the incident, one most recently was how she's been "one year clean and sober from mud diving" and hundreds of us have reported those comments for racism and every time Facebook came back saying they don't violate the rules. But one time I replied to an old lady who was saying bigoted and hateful things towards a trans person with "Thankfully like you, your views will die soon too." and I got 30 day ban for hateful comments.
- quickthrower2 3y ago
  That is really shit. A(nother) good reason to get off Facebook entirely.
- gickfick 3y ago
  > But one time I replied to an old lady who was saying bigoted and hateful things towards a trans person with "Thankfully like you, your views will die soon too." and I got 30 day ban for hateful comments. As you should do. There's no excuse for wishing people dead because you disagree with their beliefs.
  - joshmanders 3y ago
    I didn't wish anyone dead, I pointed out like her, her archaic views will soon be long gone too.
Phiwise_ 3y ago
No idea where you are or where you're referring to, but there's a lot of cultural variation out there in the legal code; some jurisdictions around the world are much more "free speech absolutist" on what rises to the label of death threat, where some others are very strict. In the context of a public-forum-esque discussion website it's possible language that isn't specific and actionable isn't a death threat by the letter of the law. To spitball, a report of misbehavior that's legally actionable in a place where it's "just" a t.o.s. violation might get sent to the wrong support team, and then kicked back as possible report spam, by a busy reviewer who's judged for their next pay raise by how well they kept the company they work for out of hot water with the local DA. Maybe you'd see better results under a generic harassment report or similar? Such is the world we('ve always) live(d) in. The only thing that saves us from the bureaucracy is its inefficiency.
- asveikau 3y ago
  I am in the US and the politician being threatened was in Germany. I'm not talking at all about prosecution or legality of speech and its varying definitions under the law (of which I believe German law is more restrictive than here). I'm talking about Facebook interpreting their own rules, which I am pretty sure do not allow threats of violence. Also, I am in favor of free speech and open political discourse. I am not in favor of saying a politician in a democracy should be murdered. There may be edge cases in the law where that is not considered credible, however, in terms of my own personal ethics it is very unambiguous when that line is crossed, and I think that's true for others.

switch007 3y ago

Same on Insta. Comment so obviously telling someone to commit suicide and it was perfectly acceptable to them.

bombcar 3y ago
They didn't even have to go to the "get free Canadian healthcare" indirect reference? Comments sections are shitholes.
- switch007 3y ago
  IIRC the comment was "KEYS without the E" ( = KYS = Kill Your Self). Ok not obvious to everyone, but I explained clearly in the report, and that with like 3 seconds of Googling the recipient will figure it out, if not already obvious to them.
  - bombcar 3y ago
    Honestly a bit surprised on that one, usually things like that get handled. Then again, modern moderation is provided by the most bargain basement person or AI capable (and as it moves to AI it will be amusing in a horrifying way how people get around it).

reactordev 3y ago

FB’s advertising algorithm just loves a good hate post. It brings people together like no other. Ignore the fact they are arguing and threatening to kill each other, look at those views! /s

joshmanders 3y ago

They also don't do shit about racism. I had a friend murdered by her boyfriend and because he was black, when the story broke her personal facebook was flooded with racist comments towards her for a while, even years after the incident, one most recently was how she's been "one year clean and sober from mud diving" and hundreds of us have reported those comments for racism and every time Facebook came back saying they don't violate the rules. But one time I replied to an old lady who was saying bigoted and hateful things towards a trans person with "Thankfully like you, your views will die soon too." and I got 30 day ban for hateful comments.

quickthrower2 3y ago
That is really shit. A(nother) good reason to get off Facebook entirely.
gickfick 3y ago
> But one time I replied to an old lady who was saying bigoted and hateful things towards a trans person with "Thankfully like you, your views will die soon too." and I got 30 day ban for hateful comments. As you should do. There's no excuse for wishing people dead because you disagree with their beliefs.
- joshmanders 3y ago
  I didn't wish anyone dead, I pointed out like her, her archaic views will soon be long gone too.

Phiwise_ 3y ago

No idea where you are or where you're referring to, but there's a lot of cultural variation out there in the legal code; some jurisdictions around the world are much more "free speech absolutist" on what rises to the label of death threat, where some others are very strict. In the context of a public-forum-esque discussion website it's possible language that isn't specific and actionable isn't a death threat by the letter of the law. To spitball, a report of misbehavior that's legally actionable in a place where it's "just" a t.o.s. violation might get sent to the wrong support team, and then kicked back as possible report spam, by a busy reviewer who's judged for their next pay raise by how well they kept the company they work for out of hot water with the local DA. Maybe you'd see better results under a generic harassment report or similar? Such is the world we('ve always) live(d) in. The only thing that saves us from the bureaucracy is its inefficiency.

asveikau 3y ago
I am in the US and the politician being threatened was in Germany. I'm not talking at all about prosecution or legality of speech and its varying definitions under the law (of which I believe German law is more restrictive than here). I'm talking about Facebook interpreting their own rules, which I am pretty sure do not allow threats of violence. Also, I am in favor of free speech and open political discourse. I am not in favor of saying a politician in a democracy should be murdered. There may be edge cases in the law where that is not considered credible, however, in terms of my own personal ethics it is very unambiguous when that line is crossed, and I think that's true for others.