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As a parent it's just a genuinely nice show to watch. There is so much complete crap out there now that Bluey is a breath of fresh air. A few others are good f

by seized 3y ago

As a parent it's just a genuinely nice show to watch. There is so much complete crap out there now that Bluey is a breath of fresh air. A few others are good fun as well like Grizzy and The Lemmings. But Bluey reigns supreme. Although I wish the phone game didn't have in app purchases. At least the Bluey video game on Steam is good and without in app purchases or micro transaction nonsense.

JumpCrisscross 3y ago
> so much complete crap out there now that Bluey is a breath of fresh air Out of curiosity, as a non-parent, what makes it crap?
- Caligatio 3y ago
  I'm not the OP so I don't know what they define as "crap." However, there is a lot of programming out there that solely exists to keep children's attention while doing nothing with it. The most egregious example that comes to mind is the CoComelon channel on YouTube: literally 1-2 hour videos of nursery rhymes with mediocre animation. It's not some small channel either; one of their 2+ hour videos has 484M views.
  - rich_sasha 3y ago
    Cocomelon is seriously the elite of YouTube. And fine for small kids I think, who wouldn't understand things like Bluey. All the messages are around "be nice", "share", "say please and thank you". There's lots of videos of kids unpacking presents, or having tantrums to get what they want, or weird videos of adults shouting at children... Or videos showing people play computer games for hours on end.
    - AndrewDucker 3y ago
      Yeah, it's fine to distract a two year old with.
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    - paradox460 3y ago
      My one year old and two year old both love and understand bluey. They gave Grandma looks of derision when she tried to show them Cocomelon
    - feoren 3y ago
      > And fine for small kids I think, who wouldn't understand things like Bluey You are vastly underestimating what small children can understand.
- MarkMarine 3y ago
  There is some crazy kids programming on YouTube. Some dude puts a hamster through basically a fake version of a saw film. Random animation of tractors driving over poor physics, etc
- BeefWellington 3y ago
  I'm probably not qualified to answer this question but to thrown my own two cents out there: I've watched both Bluey and Paw Patrol with friends' kids. Obviously take these observations with a grain of salt. Paw Patrol is essentially the laziest most nonsensical writing, because of course you don't have to write well if you have enough colour being vomited at the screen and you're really just trying to sell toys. Bluey is essentially the opposite of that. There's decent stories, it seems to tackle some tough stuff sometimes, and just generally it seems well-written and much more representative of what life is like for people (them being dogs notwithstanding). Separately, I've also seen some straight up terrible stuff on Youtube. Just random garbage which is probably these days more LLM-generated but clearly used to be created by throwing darts at a board. For example, I opened up youtube kids, said I was a parent, and clicked Explore and this was one of the first videos that came up: https://www.youtubekids.com/watch?v=tOXszq1-rxs https://www.youtubekids.com/watch?v=tOXszq1-rxs The themes tend to be (ab)using well-known properties kids already know to get them to watch your video. This came up as related, and at least involves a Yoga routine but you can see the other elements are there: https://www.youtubekids.com/watch?v=QM8NjfCfOg0 https://www.youtubekids.com/watch?v=QM8NjfCfOg0
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- throwaway87651 3y ago
  If it exists just to advertise toys (beyblade) or is so saccharine it makes you sick (Daniel tiger) then it's crap. There's good stuff out there though - bluey, octonauts, peg + cat, carmen sandiego.
- kasey_junk 3y ago
  There are literally hundreds of thousands of “kids” YouTube videos, clearly created by algorithm, that play a single song (when my kid was young it was finger family) and put bootleg cartoon characters (spider man, the smurfs, etc) dancing to it over a kaleidoscope background. At least back when my kid was small the YouTube algo would start feeding them up after the second or third video. You’d turn around to make dinner and come back to this never ending loop of … crap. Frankly, I was pretty impressed with the hustle and curious what the tech stack looked like.
- indymike 3y ago
  > what makes it crap? Parent of five here. Crap = glorifying bad behavior, teaching bad values (this will be different for every family), depicting no consequences for poor decisions, and/or resolving conflict using only violence. In general, things that mom and dad don’t have to either retcon or have a long discussion about why it is bad.
- cruffle_duffle 3y ago
  Watch about 5 minutes of Blippi and find out :-)
- wharvle 3y ago
  There are lots of extremely-cheap kids TV shows on places like Netflix or D+[1], many of which (on Netflix) are imports from e.g. Turkey with bad dubbing, that have plots so inane it's hard to express just how inane they are. Everyone's always acting stressed out and emoting over-the-top (so they hold kids' attention) but nothing is happening, all the conflict is over nothing, anything resembling an actual problem basically just solves itself. This is a very high proportion of the lower-tier shows on those services. It's such amazingly content-free writing that it's hard to believe much of it pre-dates a time when it could have been LLM-penned. [EDIT] Example of the kind of thing I mean: in some of the cheap Disney Tinkerbell/fairy shows, you'll have several characters standing (or floating) around talking, every line delivered with this high-emotion concerned tone, and this will go on quite a while, but when you, as an adult, think about what you're hearing, you'll realize that practically no information is being exchanged, most of the sentences contain no information or are repeating the same stuff for the fourth or fifth time. It's weird filler that achieves a sense of urgency and importance purely by how the lines are delivered, there's nothing going on. And that's before even considering factors like providing educational or positive-role-model value, just a sheer "is the script, like... a story, with characters?" level. Or the animation quality (universally garbage, of course). [1] Not even getting into the absolute insanity of Youtube—look up some of the kid-targeted "story"-type Minecraft machinama on there to see some of the most uncanny "narrative" ever, tons of them go on and on and on with the trappings of a story but no actual story, just things happening one after another and weird nebulous goals that never seem to get any closer, like some kind of drug-fueled automatic-writing experiment, it's a friggin' fever dream. And that's before you get to the extremely weird Youtube crap aimed at kids.
  - xyzzy_plugh 3y ago
    > tons of them go on and on and on with the trappings of a story but no actual story, just things happening one after another and weird nebulous goals that never seem to get any closer, So like every JJ Abrams production.
    - wharvle 3y ago
      He's not that bad, he tells actual stories, kinda, he's just the laziest plotter in the history of script writing. "They throw Kirk off the Enterprise! And... uh... Old Spock just happens to be there! Like, right there! Because it's less work for me if he just is, for no reason! I don't want to think of a real reason and maybe have to go back and revise stuff, or remember things later, to integrate that! He just is!" "They escape on the Millennium Falcon, and Han and Chewie show up... uh, I guess they'll need another ship for that, so now we have two. And I guess there was a homing beacon on the Falcon, that got activated, and Han just happened to be about five minutes away and already sitting in his cockpit and ready to go and not already on the way somewhere else, in hyperspace? Yeah, doesn't matter, I just need him to be there now so he is, doing something else would be hard. Oh shit I have two ships now, and I need them all on the Falcon, so, uh... monsters and pirates destroy the extra ship I just introduced! Yeah there are monsters and pirates now. Do either of those stick around or come back, or are they, like, foreshadowed? No, I just needed them to destroy this ship that I manifested for my own convenience, but no longer have any use for." "I need these characters to go somewhere else, so, uh... someone/something shows up and chases them away! There are no other consequences or meaningful connections, they just get chased so that they leave and go to where I need them to be." Et c. [EDIT] To be fair, most writers do some of this, they just don't do it quite so willy-nilly and build entire plots that way. [EDIT EDIT] This also doesn't necessarily mean his movies are bad. The plotting... I mean, that part's bad, incredibly bad, like, paragon of bad plotting, should-be-covered-in-film-schools bad, in some of them. But it's not impossible that a movie could still be entertaining, or even good, despite that. I don't mean this to dismiss his entire body of work as absolutely and entirely bad, and actually started out defending him as markedly better at everything than the kind of scripts and TV shows I was writing about, which he certainly is.

by seized 3y ago

JumpCrisscross 3y ago

> so much complete crap out there now that Bluey is a breath of fresh air Out of curiosity, as a non-parent, what makes it crap?

Caligatio 3y ago
I'm not the OP so I don't know what they define as "crap." However, there is a lot of programming out there that solely exists to keep children's attention while doing nothing with it. The most egregious example that comes to mind is the CoComelon channel on YouTube: literally 1-2 hour videos of nursery rhymes with mediocre animation. It's not some small channel either; one of their 2+ hour videos has 484M views.
- rich_sasha 3y ago
  Cocomelon is seriously the elite of YouTube. And fine for small kids I think, who wouldn't understand things like Bluey. All the messages are around "be nice", "share", "say please and thank you". There's lots of videos of kids unpacking presents, or having tantrums to get what they want, or weird videos of adults shouting at children... Or videos showing people play computer games for hours on end.
  - AndrewDucker 3y ago
    Yeah, it's fine to distract a two year old with.
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  - paradox460 3y ago
    My one year old and two year old both love and understand bluey. They gave Grandma looks of derision when she tried to show them Cocomelon
  - feoren 3y ago
    > And fine for small kids I think, who wouldn't understand things like Bluey You are vastly underestimating what small children can understand.
MarkMarine 3y ago
There is some crazy kids programming on YouTube. Some dude puts a hamster through basically a fake version of a saw film. Random animation of tractors driving over poor physics, etc
BeefWellington 3y ago
I'm probably not qualified to answer this question but to thrown my own two cents out there: I've watched both Bluey and Paw Patrol with friends' kids. Obviously take these observations with a grain of salt. Paw Patrol is essentially the laziest most nonsensical writing, because of course you don't have to write well if you have enough colour being vomited at the screen and you're really just trying to sell toys. Bluey is essentially the opposite of that. There's decent stories, it seems to tackle some tough stuff sometimes, and just generally it seems well-written and much more representative of what life is like for people (them being dogs notwithstanding). Separately, I've also seen some straight up terrible stuff on Youtube. Just random garbage which is probably these days more LLM-generated but clearly used to be created by throwing darts at a board. For example, I opened up youtube kids, said I was a parent, and clicked Explore and this was one of the first videos that came up: https://www.youtubekids.com/watch?v=tOXszq1-rxs https://www.youtubekids.com/watch?v=tOXszq1-rxs The themes tend to be (ab)using well-known properties kids already know to get them to watch your video. This came up as related, and at least involves a Yoga routine but you can see the other elements are there: https://www.youtubekids.com/watch?v=QM8NjfCfOg0 https://www.youtubekids.com/watch?v=QM8NjfCfOg0
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throwaway87651 3y ago
If it exists just to advertise toys (beyblade) or is so saccharine it makes you sick (Daniel tiger) then it's crap. There's good stuff out there though - bluey, octonauts, peg + cat, carmen sandiego.
kasey_junk 3y ago
There are literally hundreds of thousands of “kids” YouTube videos, clearly created by algorithm, that play a single song (when my kid was young it was finger family) and put bootleg cartoon characters (spider man, the smurfs, etc) dancing to it over a kaleidoscope background. At least back when my kid was small the YouTube algo would start feeding them up after the second or third video. You’d turn around to make dinner and come back to this never ending loop of … crap. Frankly, I was pretty impressed with the hustle and curious what the tech stack looked like.
indymike 3y ago
> what makes it crap? Parent of five here. Crap = glorifying bad behavior, teaching bad values (this will be different for every family), depicting no consequences for poor decisions, and/or resolving conflict using only violence. In general, things that mom and dad don’t have to either retcon or have a long discussion about why it is bad.
cruffle_duffle 3y ago
Watch about 5 minutes of Blippi and find out :-)
wharvle 3y ago
There are lots of extremely-cheap kids TV shows on places like Netflix or D+[1], many of which (on Netflix) are imports from e.g. Turkey with bad dubbing, that have plots so inane it's hard to express just how inane they are. Everyone's always acting stressed out and emoting over-the-top (so they hold kids' attention) but nothing is happening, all the conflict is over nothing, anything resembling an actual problem basically just solves itself. This is a very high proportion of the lower-tier shows on those services. It's such amazingly content-free writing that it's hard to believe much of it pre-dates a time when it could have been LLM-penned. [EDIT] Example of the kind of thing I mean: in some of the cheap Disney Tinkerbell/fairy shows, you'll have several characters standing (or floating) around talking, every line delivered with this high-emotion concerned tone, and this will go on quite a while, but when you, as an adult, think about what you're hearing, you'll realize that practically no information is being exchanged, most of the sentences contain no information or are repeating the same stuff for the fourth or fifth time. It's weird filler that achieves a sense of urgency and importance purely by how the lines are delivered, there's nothing going on. And that's before even considering factors like providing educational or positive-role-model value, just a sheer "is the script, like... a story, with characters?" level. Or the animation quality (universally garbage, of course). [1] Not even getting into the absolute insanity of Youtube—look up some of the kid-targeted "story"-type Minecraft machinama on there to see some of the most uncanny "narrative" ever, tons of them go on and on and on with the trappings of a story but no actual story, just things happening one after another and weird nebulous goals that never seem to get any closer, like some kind of drug-fueled automatic-writing experiment, it's a friggin' fever dream. And that's before you get to the extremely weird Youtube crap aimed at kids.
- xyzzy_plugh 3y ago
  > tons of them go on and on and on with the trappings of a story but no actual story, just things happening one after another and weird nebulous goals that never seem to get any closer, So like every JJ Abrams production.
  - wharvle 3y ago
    He's not that bad, he tells actual stories, kinda, he's just the laziest plotter in the history of script writing. "They throw Kirk off the Enterprise! And... uh... Old Spock just happens to be there! Like, right there! Because it's less work for me if he just is, for no reason! I don't want to think of a real reason and maybe have to go back and revise stuff, or remember things later, to integrate that! He just is!" "They escape on the Millennium Falcon, and Han and Chewie show up... uh, I guess they'll need another ship for that, so now we have two. And I guess there was a homing beacon on the Falcon, that got activated, and Han just happened to be about five minutes away and already sitting in his cockpit and ready to go and not already on the way somewhere else, in hyperspace? Yeah, doesn't matter, I just need him to be there now so he is, doing something else would be hard. Oh shit I have two ships now, and I need them all on the Falcon, so, uh... monsters and pirates destroy the extra ship I just introduced! Yeah there are monsters and pirates now. Do either of those stick around or come back, or are they, like, foreshadowed? No, I just needed them to destroy this ship that I manifested for my own convenience, but no longer have any use for." "I need these characters to go somewhere else, so, uh... someone/something shows up and chases them away! There are no other consequences or meaningful connections, they just get chased so that they leave and go to where I need them to be." Et c. [EDIT] To be fair, most writers do some of this, they just don't do it quite so willy-nilly and build entire plots that way. [EDIT EDIT] This also doesn't necessarily mean his movies are bad. The plotting... I mean, that part's bad, incredibly bad, like, paragon of bad plotting, should-be-covered-in-film-schools bad, in some of them. But it's not impossible that a movie could still be entertaining, or even good, despite that. I don't mean this to dismiss his entire body of work as absolutely and entirely bad, and actually started out defending him as markedly better at everything than the kind of scripts and TV shows I was writing about, which he certainly is.