100% second this, thank you it is hard to say almost 99% product is not engineering but what it enables company to do. In a sense this division is psychologic

100% second this, thank you it is hard to say almost 99% product is not engineering but what it enables company to do. In a sense this division is psychological: either company cares about engineering and makes it a priority or it doesn't. I think good proxy would be tooling which company uses, niche languages like Clojure/Erlang, open source activity, well known people in decision making positions rather than specific business type.