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"Anna's Archive" blocked following publishers' complaint
- bertman 3y ago>Official papers indicate that the operator of Anna’s Archive proved “unidentifiable” but with assistance from Cloudflare, Epinatura LLC – a hosting provider in Kiev, Ukraine – was identified as the likely host of at least some of the platform’s servers.
- tux3 3y agoAnna's Archive has a blog where they describe their infra. They have multiple DNS names, each of which might map to a subset of backend servers from different providers. So in theory if Cloudflare cooperates, at least one of the provider is burned, but not all. Another problem is that with torrents you have to do the initial seed from some public IP. Looking at who seeds Anna's torrents, you can very readily see the first seed currently flows through an IP in Ukraine. That's another way adversaries might identify your providers. They seem to have prepared for this situation when they built the infra with multi DNS and multi provider in mind. But the cat and mouse game is harder when the providers (like Cloudflare) immediately cooperate. And harder still when you're seeding your own torrents vs just hosting a page through a CDN.
- Sunhold 3y agohttps://annas-blog.org/how-to-run-a-shadow-library.html https://annas-blog.org/how-to-run-a-shadow-library.html
- justinclift 3y ago> with torrents you have to do the initial seed from some public IP. Seeding over Tor should work though. So although it's technically a public IP, it's also just a cut-out (from the uploaders perspective).
- tux3 3y agoBittorrent over Tor is generally discouraged. It's _very_ easy to accidentally de-anonimize yourself, and while the Tor network benefits from people casually browsing the Web to provide anonimity for others, large amounts of Bittorrent traffic would strain the network. Especially with a >400 TiB and quickly growing collection https://blog.torproject.org/bittorrent-over-tor-isnt-good-idea/ https://blog.torproject.org/bittorrent-over-tor-isnt-good-id...
- justinclift 3y ago> Bittorrent over Tor is generally discouraged. Of course, but that doesn't mean it wouldn't technically work for the situations that don't have (safe) alternatives. > It's _very_ easy to accidentally de-anonimize yourself ... Using Tails would pretty much solve that yeah?
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- lupusreal 3y agoThat's how nearly everybody using English was spelling it until about two years ago. A lot of people have either not gotten the update (not tuned into political trends), or have deliberately refused it.
- walteweiss 3y agoNot two years ago, longer [1]. Apart from that it’s correct. Since two years ago it became a ‘I don’t give a duck’ or ‘I support Russia’ statement, which is the same quite often. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KyivNotKiev https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KyivNotKiev
- lupusreal 3y agoAn online campaign since 2018 doesn't refute me, the name change didn't gain traction until 2022. Before the intensification of the war in 2022, most of the English speaking world wasn't paying much attention to Ukraine.
- walteweiss 3y agoThe official name change happened in 1991. It gained traction since 2022, as Ukrainians become less tolerant to ‘we don’t give a duck, we used to old ways’ of the Western audience. Personally, I’ve seen countless times they downvote and/or flag you for this. Waiting for that dang to come here and tell me I’m violating the rules by saying that. That way you see this correction not that often.
- surgical_fire 3y agoNames of places in different languages is often tricky. Do you write Munich when referring to the city in Bavaria? Or do you bother to write München referring to the city in Bayern, following the German spelling? Do you call that famous far east Asian country as Nihon instead of Japan? In the language of the country I came from (which is very, very far from both Russia and Ukraine), the spelling used for Ukraine's capital is Kiev, without any specific political connotation. It is the spelling I normally end up using without giving it much of a thought.
- costco 3y agoI'm pretty sure Epinatura is https://www.urdn.com.ua https://www.urdn.com.ua. They host VPNs and some other notorious pirate services. I think in 2015 or so they had all their servers confiscated by the SBU but I guess they got them back.
- maliker 3y ago"blocked [in Italy]"
- sjfjsjdjwvwvc 3y agoOne mirror down in one country, meh. We can play this game of whack-a-mole forever. Copyright needs reform, this madness is wasting countless lifehours and holding back humanity as a whole. Copyright is broken and doesn’t fulfill its intended purpose anymore.
- 2Gkashmiri 3y agowhat what about the "Copyright" of walt disney who died in 1966. think of the poor descendants
- jjgreen 3y agoWon't someone think of the (geriatric) children?
- defrost 3y agoHmmm, if his head had been frozen and cryogenically preserved would his copyright(s) have persisted . . . Do any of the cryo crowd on ice get their artistic rights back if they were ever successfully decanted? I suspect legally dead is dead wrt rights and I doubt anyone frozen to date is coming back .. but it's potboiler for when ... sometime in some future.
- sjfjsjdjwvwvc 3y agoprotip: you can’t cheat death and no one is coming back
- HenryBemis 3y agoWith people toying around with cloning. With Elon (and others) toying around with 'accessing the brain'. I wouldn't be surprised if in 100-200 years from now the "Altered Carbon" (nice SciFi series) becomes reality. (and now we know where Disney will be investing) :)
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- throwaway167 3y agoContent will still continue to be recorded * . Econ 101: Content is now (has been for a while) non-rival - we can make identical copies, A's use of A's copy does not deny B use of their copy. Content is also non-excludable - excluding access, there's no other description is what (some) publishers are trying to do. * And it played out for music just fine, after a while. The RIAA fought tooth and nail. I don't think Elsivier et al can fight harder than they did. Perhaps they'll try dirtier. Music is the harbinger of academic and book publishing. The faster this is realised, and they're really really show, the better off society will be. Do a spotify for books and papers, whatever. That much of the academic world lives in Zotero (or JabRef), LaTeX, (perhaps, I do) Zettlr and a motley crew of other grass-roots open source projects created for necessity, old-skool subscriptions and terrible terrible terrible library search engines suggests a field ripe for some picking. If content makes it onto a screen, it makes it into the wild.
- luqtas 3y agoSpotify for books? I thought Amazon Prime did that tho i don't like the idea at all, given the small slice streaming services pay their creators
- lkbm 3y agoYou mean Kindle Unlimited? Yes, kind of, but it's a somewhat limited selection, in part because it has an exclusivity agreement such that you can be on Kindle Unlimited xor in public libraries[0]. [0] https://twitter.com/AnEriksenWife/status/1742405151116140907 https://twitter.com/AnEriksenWife/status/1742405151116140907
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- xerox13ster 3y agoSpotify recently started in on audiobooks, so we're getting there, unfortunately.
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- Hitton 3y agoan order to disable https://annas-archive.org https://annas-archive.org through a DNS block was issued to Italian ISPs Rather toothless. No experienced user is using their ISP's DNS anyway.
- heap_perms 3y agoA huge chunk of the people who use the internet do not know what a DNS is, nor do they care. So the block, while technically pointless, is not inconsequential
- robin-whg 3y agoCan Italians circumvent this by manually setting Cloudflare as their DNS-Resolver (1.1.1.1)? The article mentions Cloudflare assisted them, but here in Germany they don't have to cooperate (https://blog.cloudflare.com/latest-copyright-decision-in-germany-rejects-blocking-through-global-dns-resolvers https://blog.cloudflare.com/latest-copyright-decision-in-ger...). Is the situation different in Italy?
- mercxry 3y agoI have CF DNS and the website works correctly for me in Italy so the answer is yes, changing DNS works, even Google's DNS should do it. But the default ISP ones all block some websites related to piracy, and sadly for most people that’s enough to deter them or worse, it leads them to visit suspicious websites and download viruses.
- denton-scratch 3y agoDNS "blocking" doesn't impress me much; it only works if you rely on the ISPs DNS servers. I think personal computers should simply ship with a local recursive resolver installed and configured. The resource burden is tiny, and it's likely to be faster than most ISP's resolvers. And it'll tell you the Truth about what's in the DNS tree. I understand that many ISPs use slow DNS servers as a way of throttling their users.
- miki123211 3y agoSome places forcibly redirect all port 53 traffic to your ISP's DNS server, some British ISPs do this if I'm not mistaken. If popular operating systems started doing this, more countries would follow. DNS over HTTPS would solve the problem, but some countries might outlaw browsers that ship with it if it became too much of a problem.
- denton-scratch 3y agoWhat kind of "place" can redirect a port-53 request to localhost to my ISP's DNS server? DNS-over-HTTPS is a move in the wrong direction, if you ask me. There aren't many DOH servers, so it concentrates control even more than traditional DNS. But if you are running your own recursive resolver, the only ways to control the results are to control the authoritative servers (nope), or to control the roots (most of them are physically in the USA, and run by corporations, so that's sort-of possible).
- ixaxaar 3y agoI guess whoever tries to enforce copyright at this point ends up losing in the AI race. On the other hand, countries like Japan have literally chosen to be the Cayman Islands of AI. I wonder how countries with a stronger foundation of copyright are going to navigate this conundrum against middle-income countries which have a stronger incentive to be ambiguous on this issue.
- Mindwipe 3y agoThey're probably going to make the WTO enforce against countries with more liberal copyright regimes, but it must be said they'll need to crack on if they want to do so and several of the larger economies are politically gridlocked at this point in making any decisions at all.
- aifooh7Keew6xoo 3y agoIt is atypical for issues that affect elite bottom lines to be subject to political gridlock. The gridlock is simply the manifested reality that legislation is fully pay to play, but if you're paying that's not your problem.
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- rsync 3y ago"... countries like Japan have literally chosen to be the Cayman Islands of AI." No. Japan has figuratively chosen to be the Cayman Islands of AI. (I have five figures of karma with which to fight this battle)
- sensanaty 3y agoPeople keep saying this about Japan here on HN, but the one article circulating is a random minister saying she supports AIs training for educational/statistical purposes, not an actual passage of new laws or anything of the sort. Please do correct me if I'm wrong though
- idoubtit 3y agoSo an Italian judge ordered Italian ISPs to ban the site from their DNS. At least, most aliases, with a mouse-and-cat game of aliases, like there was for The Pirate Bay. Since Anna's Archive is increasingly well-known, I expect the same ban will happen in many countries this year. It won't change much for the power users; they can configure their computers to query other DNS servers. My local network has a DNS cache (dnsmasq) that uses alternative DNS servers for a handmade list of domains.
- ginnungagap 3y agoItalian here, I was trying to access anna's archive today (and libgen as well) without success, is there any easy workaround?
- gerdesj 3y agoPoint your DNS at 8.8.8.8 and 8.8.4.4 - that's Google's public DNS and it currently resolves Annas Archive.
- TrueDuality 3y agoFrequently these ISP level blocks also redirect the normal port 53 traffic to their own servers so these settings are meaningless. What does work is DNS-over-HTTPS which can be enabled quickly and easily in both Chrome and Firefox and will side-step this block even against adversarial ISPs.
- SushiHippie 3y agoI wonder if an ISP could just serve NXDOMAIN for the canary domain? [0] [0] https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/canary-domain-use-application-dnsnet https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/canary-domain-use-appli...
- gerdesj 3y ago"Frequently these ISP level blocks also redirect the normal port 53 traffic to their own servers" No ISP is going to do nonsense like that for something like copywrite related compliance unless lots of money is forthcoming. An ISP can NXDOMAIN on their own DNS servers at a minimal cost. Doing 53/udp fiddling for all customers means CAM or similar expensive resource usage. If you do find that your DNS is being redirected as TrueDuality describes, then yes DoH is an option. However if this is an issue then you have far bigger problems than not being able to access Anna's Archive.
- pointlessone 3y agoDid they ban .gs and .se, too?
- jmakov 3y agoIf an AI explains the whole research article with its own words in detail and comment aproaching the same lenght as the original article and doing the same with plots&tables presented in the original article, is this still copyright theft?
- mcny 3y agoI anal but as far as I know you can’t copyright facts. I think this came up in some tennis thing where people were sneaking in phones to gamble on games as early knowledge of facts could theoretically make a difference. I imagine the same applies here. So and so has published a paper on such and such topic is a fact, right?
- BobaFloutist 3y agoPlease remove that space from your acronym.
- HackerThemAll 3y agoIt is awkward that you have to pay to publish your scientific research, and then your readers have to pay to access it. Knowledge should be freely available to advance humanity. Possibly readers should pay directly to authors for their efforts. Yet we have greedy intermediaries (publishers) that effectively just suppress world's progress. Projects like SciHub should thrive forever to combat this bullshit.
- flandish 3y agoIf profit can be extracted - capitalists always choose profit.
- globular-toast 3y agoYou don't have to. The web was created for exactly this purpose. What the journals provide is peer review, curation and trust. Projects like SciHub don't do anything to replace these aspects of traditional publishing.
- vibrio 3y agoPeer reviewers are unpaid, curation seems like a problem the internet can solve well, and trust... deriving one's trust from Elsevier or Springer is not great model. Granted, funding is needed to ensure distribution, but multiple billions of dollars in revenue (and even profit) seems excessive for what they provide.
- globular-toast 3y ago> Peer reviewers are unpaid Is that bad? How would they get paid if all articles were free? > curation seems like a problem the internet can solve well "The internet" isn't anything more than a (supposedly) robust telecommunications network. Anyone can curate anything, but that is meaningless without trust. > deriving one's trust from Elsevier or Springer is not great model Any centralised trust model is broken by default. We've had practical web of trust security for decades at this point. But for various reasons nobody will use it. It would be perfect for things like this.
- FL33TW00D 3y agoAnna's Archive is a fantastic service. Load the epub directly into Apple Books, read everything you like!
- nathancahill 3y agoI like Apple Books for epub (syncs across devices) but I don't like the random offloading of books from the device to iCloud. I read the most when I'm offline (at the beach or camping in the mountains) and I'll get there only to discover half of my books have been offloaded from my phone. There's no setting to prevent this.
- carlosjobim 3y agoGet an e-ink reader to bring to the beach! They are cheap and incredible for reading. You'll never want to squint-read on your phone again.
- nathancahill 3y agoYeah, you're probably right!
- fnimick 3y agoNot just that, if you get an e-ink reader that runs a modern version of Android, you can also edit documents, write emails, etc on a paper-like display. Far better than using a traditional tablet or phone for text communication. If there were a display compatible with PC inputs that I could put on my desk instead of a second monitor, I'd do it in a heartbeat.
- ta988 3y agoThey exist already. look for e-ink displays.
- latexr 3y ago> If there were a display compatible with PC inputs that I could put on my desk instead of a second monitor, I'd do it in a heartbeat. https://shop.dasung.com/products/dasung-25-3-e-ink-monitor-paperlike-253 https://shop.dasung.com/products/dasung-25-3-e-ink-monitor-p...
- cesarb 3y ago> [...] an order to disable https://annas-archive.org https://annas-archive.org through a DNS block [...] Visitors to the site are now greeted by the blocking page below in Italian. To me, this is the most worrying part: how did they get a valid certificate for that "Anna's Archive" domain name, so that their blocking page is shown instead of a certificate mismatch error?
- sixhobbits 3y agoBecause the dns records were changed. Same as if you don't pay for your domain, someone else buys it and points records to new IP and generates a new certificate.
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- wut42 3y agoIt would not. It is not allowed by the CAB forum. You have to use non third party DNS Resolvers to verify dns-01 certs.
- wut42 3y agoThey doesn't. It seems to either not serve anything at all on https, or use a cert that doesn't match annas-archive.org. (Verified using a RIPE Atlas query: https://atlas.ripe.net/measurements/65855880 https://atlas.ripe.net/measurements/65855880 )
- yunohn 3y agoThat’s now how DNS blocking work. The default DNS servers used by ISPs reply with the government notice website’s IP address, instead of what other global authoritative resolvers are providing. HTTPS does not prevent this from happening. Instead, I believe you are thinking of DNSSEC (1), which would prevent such dns rebinding. (1) https://www.cloudflare.com/dns/dnssec/how-dnssec-works/ https://www.cloudflare.com/dns/dnssec/how-dnssec-works/
- hedora 3y agoThe ACME protocol allows this; you just need to control either the DNS records or port 80 on all of the network paths that the certificate authority (e.g. Let’s Encrypt) uses as part of the challenge response protocol. (Is there a way to permanently opt a DNS name out of such things, I wonder? It seems unlikely that anything would survive a DNS name transfer.)
- max_ 3y agoThis is why I like the internet so much. It was so well designed in the sense that a single platonic decision somewhere does affect people else where in the network. It's well decentralised. Kudos to who ever contributed in designing these internet protocols. DNS, ICANN, TCP/IP et Al. I wonder who these people are or if they have any documentation that describes how they arrived at their decisions? I suspect people designing the fediverse can learn alot from them. Who are these people? I only hear of Vint Cerf.
- zer00eyz 3y agoDARPA https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DARPA https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DARPA Velcro, The Internet... Silly US government projects sometimes have down stream impact. Even in defense, the government funding science is how we got here. Look at early computing (UINVAC, to CRAY) the history and the people have all sorts of ties to early crypto research and the navy! Later private industry gets in on the act. UNIX is a byproduct of AT&T, the monopoly version. The stuff that came out of bell labs that got tossed into the public because of a settlement is amazing.
- beardedwizard 3y agoThe rfcs all exist with names still on them, you can read them too. No stone tablets involved.
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- globular-toast 3y agoThe internet was designed by the US Department of Defence specifically to be robust to attack. The fundamental design that makes it different from earlier telecommunications networks is its use of packet switching over circuit switching. DNS, however, is thoroughly centralised and not part of the internet per se. I'm also not sure how redundant and robust the internet is in practice these days. The web certainly has single points of failure like Cloudflare etc. The GNU Name System is an example of a decentralised name system.
- ofrzeta 3y agoItaly is quite aggressive in blocking sites like Library Genesis or Torrent search engines, I learned during my last vacation.
- wolverine876 3y agoThe article says Anna's Archive was founded November, 2022, and the publishing association complained December, 2023. For such a massive breach, why do they wait a year? And why only the Italian publishers?
- viktorcode 3y agoSadly, it does not provide the list of countries that blocked the library. Internet censorship is what I'm interested in here.
- ShadowBanThis01 3y agoI absolutely support the free availability of research papers that were funded by the public, but is there some justification for making the materials in question here free to all? Or is the "library" here simply stealing from authors?
- ptek 3y agoI live in a small city in New Zealand which does not have a university so the computer books available are not that great. In the early 90s we had the legendary UK Usborne BASIC programming books, but trying to find books about Amiga programming in AREXX, Assembler or Amiga C was not going to be possible. It is great that now these books are available. I also like looking at all the old CAD books from late 80s to early 90s to see how they have evolved, I can understand that libraries would not have the shelf capacity to store those books. Also the libraries only keep the more popular books, a lot of the books from the 50s-70s are good and even Robert Ludlum books are no longer there only the more recent ones where authors have paid the estate to carry on the Bourne Genre. I understand you have to make space available for new authours. Also if you do buy a ebook who knows if the provider is going to delete it (i.e Sony) But yeah free availability of research papers help a lot and other technical papers (RFCs) is great, it's great when I see ISOs available (books not CDs)
- ptek 3y agoIs the book scene run like the warez scene used to be? Who are the major players in the book scene (QuarTeX, RaZoR 1911, TRSi, ParaDoX, DefJam & CCS, ProDigY, FairLighT). I'm guessing these sites are like the old WHQ BBS's. Is is absolutely amazing and fascinating how the 'scene' has evolved over the decades and is crazy and impressive that books are part of it. What is the demand of the book scene vs the music, warez, movie scene at the moment? I know that books are smaller that 1080p movies and software. Absolutely fascinating \o/
- pilimi_anna 3y agoThanks everyone for your interest and support. As you can see, it's paramount that these torrents get seeded widely, to preserve this collection. Part of it is already preserved fairly well, especially the Sci-Hub torrents and many of the Libgen torrents, but there is currently ~150TB with <4 seeders. Head over to the "/torrents" page if you'd like to help!
- f0ld 3y agoI don't get it. People who are going to read your books usually just buy it cause paper is 2000% better to look at. People who can't afford to buy books wouldn't have bought it anyways. It's a service problem. People refuse to go back to pirating video games. IDK just build a gated community around your publishing company. Build communities of people who love your books. People will buy books to join your community. Stop being lazy
- orbisvicis 3y agoI just found out it would cost $100 to read the ASTM D2000 specification... a standard way to itemize purchasing requirements in the US. Straight to Anna's Archive... they didn't have 10.1520/D2000 though.