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Iceland has 41% EV adoption, and I'm pretty sure they have more snow than anywhere in the US (perhaps only comparable to Alaska).

by SEJeff 3y ago

jandrewrogers 3y ago
Iceland is small. It is smaller than the vast majority of US States. The farthest distances you can travel in Iceland requires not much more than a single charge.
- toomuchtodo 3y ago
  https://supercharge.info/map https://supercharge.info/map Every major automaker except Stellantis has made an agreement to obtain access to the North American Supercharger network, and there are few coverage gaps evidenced by the map provided above. On highway routes, you’re never more than 30-50 miles to the next Supercharger. Tesla’s standard has been developed by SAE (SAE J3400). Gaps will be filled and density will increase as the EV transition accelerates. Electricity is mostly ubiquitous in the developed world, anywhere with electrical service is a potential charging point (albeit at slower charge rates than 150kw-350kw). https://cleantechnica.com/2024/01/01/sae-develops-nacs-j3400-standard-in-record-time/ https://cleantechnica.com/2024/01/01/sae-develops-nacs-j3400... Wyoming refused the terms for federal funds for fast DC charging stations. You cannot help those who won’t accept help, getting left behind is a choice. https://www.eenews.net/articles/why-wyoming-wont-build-bidens-ev-chargers/ https://www.eenews.net/articles/why-wyoming-wont-build-biden...
  - jandrewrogers 3y ago
    The US is massive. That supercharger map shows vast regions of the US with almost no superchargers and entire long-haul highway systems with none at all. And some of these are highways I travel on. If you actually know the highway system in the US, that supercharger network map is a joke. Maybe in another decade it will be something close to having decent coverage but that map is stark evidence of its deficiency for many people. Sure, there are a lot of superchargers on many parts of the coast. They have always been available where I live and I have a Tesla charger in my home. But the US is a continent sized country. Pretending the inconvenient parts don’t exist doesn’t make them go away. I am always astonished at how dismissive some people are at the practical concerns of Americans that don’t solely live in an insular coastal metro. It isn’t a good look and needlessly invites resentment.
    - toomuchtodo 3y ago
      The problem is you’re arguing today and I’m arguing the next ten years. The Supercharger network has grown wildly since I bought my S in 2018 (and have driven it cross country over the last six years, mostly on Superchargers), and as long as it keeps up with EV uptake, that is good enough. It does not need to be perfect, and someone will always find a complaint. Sell to people who will buy, ignore people who will find excuses not to. As long as Tesla can sell every vehicle they build and continue to drag legacy automakers to an EV future, individual opinions of the network are of low value. It was of enough value for major automakers to know they couldn’t succeed without it.
      - jandrewrogers 3y ago
        In ten years, I might not disagree. Today, there are many parts of the US where many people would be idiots to buy an EV. Many people would be fine with EVs today, but that probably isn’t the case for a large percentage of Americans.
        jnsaff2 3y ago
        Sure, is there anyone forcing them to buy EV if it does not fit their need? Most people in Manhattan would not need a car at all. Most people in LA would should be much better off driving an EV. And those who live in places where an EV is not sensible or even feasible do their thing. Why do you need to fight against adoption?
    - sitkack 3y ago
      The size of the US has no bearing on how far your car needs to travel before being refueled. Europe is large. And. If you don't want to drive an EV, fine. You want a drive an Audi 700 miles a day. You do you. 99% of America doesn't do that.
  - rbanffy 3y ago
    > You cannot help those who won’t accept help, getting left behind is a choice. It’s a bit like antivaxxer parents: it’s their decision, but it puts all other kids at school at risk, especially those who can’t take vaccines for valid medical reasons. It’s their decision, but the whole planet bears the consequences.
- jnsaff2 3y ago
  Yea nope. Iceland does not have roads passable through the center of the island in the winter. There was one occasion when the ring road was closed because of extreme wind in one spot. The only way of getting to our destination 50km away would have been the full round of about 2000km. In the population centers at the coast tho the temperature does not go much below freezing during the year but also rarely rises much above +15C. An interesting place to visit.
  - jandrewrogers 3y ago
    According to every source on the Internet, circumnavigating Iceland appears to be ~1300 kilometers. It would require impressive detours to make that 2000 kilometers. Like I said, it is smaller than almost all US States. Iceland isn’t that large.
    - jnsaff2 3y ago
      Fine 1300 instead of 2000. That is still an impressive detour for a road closure of any kind, no?

Iceland has 41% EV adoption, and I'm pretty sure they have more snow than anywhere in the US (perhaps only comparable to Alaska).

by SEJeff 3y ago

Iceland has 41% EV adoption, and I'm pretty sure they have more snow than anywhere in the US (perhaps only comparable to Alaska).

jandrewrogers 3y ago

Iceland is small. It is smaller than the vast majority of US States. The farthest distances you can travel in Iceland requires not much more than a single charge.

toomuchtodo 3y ago
https://supercharge.info/map https://supercharge.info/map Every major automaker except Stellantis has made an agreement to obtain access to the North American Supercharger network, and there are few coverage gaps evidenced by the map provided above. On highway routes, you’re never more than 30-50 miles to the next Supercharger. Tesla’s standard has been developed by SAE (SAE J3400). Gaps will be filled and density will increase as the EV transition accelerates. Electricity is mostly ubiquitous in the developed world, anywhere with electrical service is a potential charging point (albeit at slower charge rates than 150kw-350kw). https://cleantechnica.com/2024/01/01/sae-develops-nacs-j3400-standard-in-record-time/ https://cleantechnica.com/2024/01/01/sae-develops-nacs-j3400... Wyoming refused the terms for federal funds for fast DC charging stations. You cannot help those who won’t accept help, getting left behind is a choice. https://www.eenews.net/articles/why-wyoming-wont-build-bidens-ev-chargers/ https://www.eenews.net/articles/why-wyoming-wont-build-biden...
- jandrewrogers 3y ago
  The US is massive. That supercharger map shows vast regions of the US with almost no superchargers and entire long-haul highway systems with none at all. And some of these are highways I travel on. If you actually know the highway system in the US, that supercharger network map is a joke. Maybe in another decade it will be something close to having decent coverage but that map is stark evidence of its deficiency for many people. Sure, there are a lot of superchargers on many parts of the coast. They have always been available where I live and I have a Tesla charger in my home. But the US is a continent sized country. Pretending the inconvenient parts don’t exist doesn’t make them go away. I am always astonished at how dismissive some people are at the practical concerns of Americans that don’t solely live in an insular coastal metro. It isn’t a good look and needlessly invites resentment.
  - toomuchtodo 3y ago
    The problem is you’re arguing today and I’m arguing the next ten years. The Supercharger network has grown wildly since I bought my S in 2018 (and have driven it cross country over the last six years, mostly on Superchargers), and as long as it keeps up with EV uptake, that is good enough. It does not need to be perfect, and someone will always find a complaint. Sell to people who will buy, ignore people who will find excuses not to. As long as Tesla can sell every vehicle they build and continue to drag legacy automakers to an EV future, individual opinions of the network are of low value. It was of enough value for major automakers to know they couldn’t succeed without it.
    - jandrewrogers 3y ago
      In ten years, I might not disagree. Today, there are many parts of the US where many people would be idiots to buy an EV. Many people would be fine with EVs today, but that probably isn’t the case for a large percentage of Americans.
      - jnsaff2 3y ago
        Sure, is there anyone forcing them to buy EV if it does not fit their need? Most people in Manhattan would not need a car at all. Most people in LA would should be much better off driving an EV. And those who live in places where an EV is not sensible or even feasible do their thing. Why do you need to fight against adoption?
  - sitkack 3y ago
    The size of the US has no bearing on how far your car needs to travel before being refueled. Europe is large. And. If you don't want to drive an EV, fine. You want a drive an Audi 700 miles a day. You do you. 99% of America doesn't do that.
- rbanffy 3y ago
  > You cannot help those who won’t accept help, getting left behind is a choice. It’s a bit like antivaxxer parents: it’s their decision, but it puts all other kids at school at risk, especially those who can’t take vaccines for valid medical reasons. It’s their decision, but the whole planet bears the consequences.
jnsaff2 3y ago
Yea nope. Iceland does not have roads passable through the center of the island in the winter. There was one occasion when the ring road was closed because of extreme wind in one spot. The only way of getting to our destination 50km away would have been the full round of about 2000km. In the population centers at the coast tho the temperature does not go much below freezing during the year but also rarely rises much above +15C. An interesting place to visit.
- jandrewrogers 3y ago
  According to every source on the Internet, circumnavigating Iceland appears to be ~1300 kilometers. It would require impressive detours to make that 2000 kilometers. Like I said, it is smaller than almost all US States. Iceland isn’t that large.
  - jnsaff2 3y ago
    Fine 1300 instead of 2000. That is still an impressive detour for a road closure of any kind, no?