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These guys [1] took an iX3 to the Kruger Park in South Africa and back with careful planning. They managed to do 100km of self-driving game viewing thru the rem

These guys [1] took an iX3 to the Kruger Park in South Africa and back with careful planning. They managed to do 100km of self-driving game viewing thru the remote park per day for 4 days without issues. They recharged out of their accomodation while they weren't out driving. We don't even have electricity 24 hours/day here due to our ongoing generation crisis, so I'm surprised you wouldn't be able to do something similar in the USA or are those two parks just really that remote? Or is it the 120V AC that's the issue? [1] https://mybroadband.co.za/news/motoring/504858-i-drove-an-electric-bmw-to-kruger-and-back-consider-me-converted.html https://mybroadband.co.za/news/motoring/504858-i-drove-an-el...

quickthrowman 3y ago
120V 15A circuit is 1.4kW. If charging time is linear, that BMW battery would take 52 hours to charge from 0-100%.
- seanmcdirmid 3y ago
  You can get L2 charging at many RV parks. It isn’t what I would consider very practical though.
- Rebelgecko 3y ago
  Most RV parks have 40-50 amps available, which makes overnight charging more practical
  - xxs 3y ago
    It's unlikely they will be able to supply that much current if there are many participants.
    - _ea1k 3y ago
      Yeah, they'd need to add EVSEs with load sharing. Fortunately, that'd be cost effective if there were many customers clamoring for it.
- xxs 3y ago
  >If charging time is linear Three phase 16-25A outlets are available (common in buildings/houses) in Europe (230V each phase to neutral, 400V phase to phase). Charging Li-Ion is not a linear process at all, but at so low power (0.02C, compared to the target's battery one) it'd be, as it'd be limited by the source instead.
lelanthran 3y ago
> These guys [1] took an iX3 to the Kruger Park in South Africa and back with careful planning. This is not as impressive as you might think, to be honest. What they did is the ideal situation for using EVs: drive short distances and charge overnight. >> over the course of our 4-night stay, despite driving over 100km per day in the park. Their needed range was 100km/day, over four days, with overnight charging for each 100km drive. To get there, they drove for 3 hours, then stopped for 1.5 hours to charge. Honestly, the story makes it clear that range is an issue, not that range is doable in an EV.
- ryanjshaw 3y ago
  > This is not as impressive as you might think, to be honest. Not sure what argument you think I'm making, but OP already owns the car, I'm not making a claim about anything being impressive or trying to convince anybody to buy one. I shared somebody's detailed log book for a potentially similar kind of trip in a similar vehicle in a more challenging charging environment. I've never been to the US parks in question, and I don't know how much driving one does on those trips, so I made some caveats. > Honestly, the story makes it clear that range is an issue, not that range is doable in an EV. How is it an issue? They had a great trip and found that the animal viewing was especially enjoyable in an EV, and the experience was significantly different from driving an ICE. If it doesn't work in OPs particular scenario, that's fine, but I don't know why you're making generalised statements about a specific trip.
  - lelanthran 3y ago
    > > Honestly, the story makes it clear that range is an issue, not that range is doable in an EV. > How is it an issue? They had a great trip and found that the animal viewing was especially enjoyable in an EV, and the experience was significantly different from driving an ICE. That's not relevant to "range is an issue". > If it doesn't work in OPs particular scenario, that's fine, but I don't know why you're making generalised statements about a specific trip. Because it is being presented as newsworthy when it really isn't - 100km/day is not what people refer to when they say "range anxiety". A long trip in which 50% of the trip duration is spent waiting for charge is also not newsworthy.
jandrewrogers 3y ago
I drove a 1,000 kilometers in a single day a week ago, just partially up the US coast. 100km doesn’t even leave the city.
- ryanjshaw 3y ago
  This is in reference to a game drive. You normally drive in the mornings and late afternoons only, and you stop, wait and watch whenever you see something interesting. You could find one spot and happily spend your hours there e.g. a herd of elephants taking a bath.
  - jandrewrogers 3y ago
    Fair enough, but then you aren’t really testing the range of an EV.
    - ryanjshaw 3y ago
      Correct, I'm not. I'm replying to someone who already owns an EV and sharing somebody else's logbook with them in case it's useful but for some reason my comments are being completely misinterpreted.
seanmcdirmid 3y ago
RV parks let you do that here in the state, you can even get to L2 charging in most cases (this is the only way to drive an EV to Alaska ATM), but it isn’t what I would say convenient, or very practical.
- ryanjshaw 3y ago
  Yeah it sounds like the nature of your trips there are quite different from what we would do here (mostly low mileage game drives), so not as applicable to you.

quickthrowman 3y ago

120V 15A circuit is 1.4kW. If charging time is linear, that BMW battery would take 52 hours to charge from 0-100%.

seanmcdirmid 3y ago
You can get L2 charging at many RV parks. It isn’t what I would consider very practical though.
Rebelgecko 3y ago
Most RV parks have 40-50 amps available, which makes overnight charging more practical
- xxs 3y ago
  It's unlikely they will be able to supply that much current if there are many participants.
  - _ea1k 3y ago
    Yeah, they'd need to add EVSEs with load sharing. Fortunately, that'd be cost effective if there were many customers clamoring for it.
xxs 3y ago
>If charging time is linear Three phase 16-25A outlets are available (common in buildings/houses) in Europe (230V each phase to neutral, 400V phase to phase). Charging Li-Ion is not a linear process at all, but at so low power (0.02C, compared to the target's battery one) it'd be, as it'd be limited by the source instead.

lelanthran 3y ago

> These guys [1] took an iX3 to the Kruger Park in South Africa and back with careful planning. This is not as impressive as you might think, to be honest. What they did is the ideal situation for using EVs: drive short distances and charge overnight. >> over the course of our 4-night stay, despite driving over 100km per day in the park. Their needed range was 100km/day, over four days, with overnight charging for each 100km drive. To get there, they drove for 3 hours, then stopped for 1.5 hours to charge. Honestly, the story makes it clear that range is an issue, not that range is doable in an EV.

ryanjshaw 3y ago
> This is not as impressive as you might think, to be honest. Not sure what argument you think I'm making, but OP already owns the car, I'm not making a claim about anything being impressive or trying to convince anybody to buy one. I shared somebody's detailed log book for a potentially similar kind of trip in a similar vehicle in a more challenging charging environment. I've never been to the US parks in question, and I don't know how much driving one does on those trips, so I made some caveats. > Honestly, the story makes it clear that range is an issue, not that range is doable in an EV. How is it an issue? They had a great trip and found that the animal viewing was especially enjoyable in an EV, and the experience was significantly different from driving an ICE. If it doesn't work in OPs particular scenario, that's fine, but I don't know why you're making generalised statements about a specific trip.
- lelanthran 3y ago
  > > Honestly, the story makes it clear that range is an issue, not that range is doable in an EV. > How is it an issue? They had a great trip and found that the animal viewing was especially enjoyable in an EV, and the experience was significantly different from driving an ICE. That's not relevant to "range is an issue". > If it doesn't work in OPs particular scenario, that's fine, but I don't know why you're making generalised statements about a specific trip. Because it is being presented as newsworthy when it really isn't - 100km/day is not what people refer to when they say "range anxiety". A long trip in which 50% of the trip duration is spent waiting for charge is also not newsworthy.

jandrewrogers 3y ago

I drove a 1,000 kilometers in a single day a week ago, just partially up the US coast. 100km doesn’t even leave the city.

ryanjshaw 3y ago
This is in reference to a game drive. You normally drive in the mornings and late afternoons only, and you stop, wait and watch whenever you see something interesting. You could find one spot and happily spend your hours there e.g. a herd of elephants taking a bath.
- jandrewrogers 3y ago
  Fair enough, but then you aren’t really testing the range of an EV.
  - ryanjshaw 3y ago
    Correct, I'm not. I'm replying to someone who already owns an EV and sharing somebody else's logbook with them in case it's useful but for some reason my comments are being completely misinterpreted.

seanmcdirmid 3y ago

RV parks let you do that here in the state, you can even get to L2 charging in most cases (this is the only way to drive an EV to Alaska ATM), but it isn’t what I would say convenient, or very practical.

ryanjshaw 3y ago
Yeah it sounds like the nature of your trips there are quite different from what we would do here (mostly low mileage game drives), so not as applicable to you.