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>It’s a 10K fine per listing Is it? Has even a single party been charged? And if so, what was the enforcement process? Without unions that strike (key word: s

>It’s a 10K fine per listing Is it? Has even a single party been charged? And if so, what was the enforcement process? Without unions that strike (key word: strike) workers have no power. Edit: the $10k is a maximum fine, not a minimum fine. In other words, it's a complete joke.

fancy_pantser 3y ago
> Companies hit by wave of suits over job ads lacking pay info > A batch of proposed class actions filed in Washington state against major companies such as adidas AG, Home Depot Inc., and Marriott International Inc., will help employers gauge the litigation risk they face under a recent nationwide wave of pay transparency laws requiring salary ranges in job ads. The wheels are starting to turn. I think there are more class actions happening than individual cases but IANAL. https://news.bloomberglaw.com/daily-labor-report/adidas-home-depot-sued-in-test-cases-on-job-ad-pay-transparency https://news.bloomberglaw.com/daily-labor-report/adidas-home...
- jdksmdbtbdnmsm 3y ago
  Those are civil suits, so no fine. >Key legal questions will include whether the job applicants can show they suffered any injury to merit an award of damages Further down, the article links to another about some actual enforcement in Colorado, but the fines are an absolute joke; clearly so insignificant that the Bloomberg writer avoids giving a number for any single suit. Organize or perish. https://news.bloomberglaw.com/daily-labor-report/tesla-schwab-penalized-under-colorado-job-ad-pay-disclosure-law https://news.bloomberglaw.com/daily-labor-report/tesla-schwa...
bugglebeetle 3y ago
You’d probably have to do a public records request with the Department of Industrial Relations to get an account of all the enforcement actions. While I agree with your point about organizing and striking, California has some of the country’s most powerful unions and labor protections, even for non-union industries. For example, most software developers in CA can’t be classified as exempt if they’re paid under 115K and can sue for quite extensive damages in the event of misclassification: https://www.dir.ca.gov/oprl/ComputerSoftware.htm https://www.dir.ca.gov/oprl/ComputerSoftware.htm This amount is also indexed to inflation and increases every year. This does not, however, prevent employers from posting jobs on HN below this amount, in contradiction to the law, which I’ve seen from time to time.
- jdksmdbtbdnmsm 3y ago
  There are no powerful unions in the US, not even close. You immediately discredit yourself by suggesting there is.
  - bugglebeetle 3y ago
    As do you with your relentless, unserious comments.
godelski 3y ago
Is the a minimum employment size? Because Mistral doesn't seem to have them listed. But they are small in terms of employees. But they are listed as hybrid paris/london/SF. I don't think that allows them to get away. I even checked using my VPN in case weird shit was going on. I like how they are being open source but not being open salary seems counter to that ideology... There's a few other AI companies I've seen that have this issue too so I assume there's exceptions or no enforcement and people gambling. (I'm only calling out Mistral because they are "big" and the open source messaging they push) https://jobs.lever.co/mistral/675b7f06-a76b-4144-af0c-4dd3282ef489 https://jobs.lever.co/mistral/675b7f06-a76b-4144-af0c-4dd328...
- bugglebeetle 3y ago
  It’s 15 or more people.

fancy_pantser 3y ago

> Companies hit by wave of suits over job ads lacking pay info > A batch of proposed class actions filed in Washington state against major companies such as adidas AG, Home Depot Inc., and Marriott International Inc., will help employers gauge the litigation risk they face under a recent nationwide wave of pay transparency laws requiring salary ranges in job ads. The wheels are starting to turn. I think there are more class actions happening than individual cases but IANAL. https://news.bloomberglaw.com/daily-labor-report/adidas-home-depot-sued-in-test-cases-on-job-ad-pay-transparency https://news.bloomberglaw.com/daily-labor-report/adidas-home...

jdksmdbtbdnmsm 3y ago
Those are civil suits, so no fine. >Key legal questions will include whether the job applicants can show they suffered any injury to merit an award of damages Further down, the article links to another about some actual enforcement in Colorado, but the fines are an absolute joke; clearly so insignificant that the Bloomberg writer avoids giving a number for any single suit. Organize or perish. https://news.bloomberglaw.com/daily-labor-report/tesla-schwab-penalized-under-colorado-job-ad-pay-disclosure-law https://news.bloomberglaw.com/daily-labor-report/tesla-schwa...

bugglebeetle 3y ago

You’d probably have to do a public records request with the Department of Industrial Relations to get an account of all the enforcement actions. While I agree with your point about organizing and striking, California has some of the country’s most powerful unions and labor protections, even for non-union industries. For example, most software developers in CA can’t be classified as exempt if they’re paid under 115K and can sue for quite extensive damages in the event of misclassification: https://www.dir.ca.gov/oprl/ComputerSoftware.htm https://www.dir.ca.gov/oprl/ComputerSoftware.htm This amount is also indexed to inflation and increases every year. This does not, however, prevent employers from posting jobs on HN below this amount, in contradiction to the law, which I’ve seen from time to time.

jdksmdbtbdnmsm 3y ago
There are no powerful unions in the US, not even close. You immediately discredit yourself by suggesting there is.
- bugglebeetle 3y ago
  As do you with your relentless, unserious comments.

godelski 3y ago

Is the a minimum employment size? Because Mistral doesn't seem to have them listed. But they are small in terms of employees. But they are listed as hybrid paris/london/SF. I don't think that allows them to get away. I even checked using my VPN in case weird shit was going on. I like how they are being open source but not being open salary seems counter to that ideology... There's a few other AI companies I've seen that have this issue too so I assume there's exceptions or no enforcement and people gambling. (I'm only calling out Mistral because they are "big" and the open source messaging they push) https://jobs.lever.co/mistral/675b7f06-a76b-4144-af0c-4dd3282ef489 https://jobs.lever.co/mistral/675b7f06-a76b-4144-af0c-4dd328...

bugglebeetle 3y ago
It’s 15 or more people.