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I'm really glad Tesla has shown their true self over the last few years. I've been in "maybe get a new car in a year or so" mode for a few years but haven't pul

I'm really glad Tesla has shown their true self over the last few years. I've been in "maybe get a new car in a year or so" mode for a few years but haven't pulled the trigger yet for a variety of reasons. When that conversation in my head started, Tesla was absolutely in the mix. Now? Maybe if you gave me one for free, but I'm sure not buying one.

taylodl 3y ago
I'm in the same boat. Pretty sure I'm not buying a Tesla, but also pretty sure I'll still be buying a BEV.
- dzhiurgis 3y ago
  Write down what you get from each and at what cost. You'd have to have extremely strong opinions to buy anything else than Tesla.
  - trog 3y ago
    Anyone who is remotely online is basically forced to have extremely strong opinions about Tesla because Elon can't help but put himself in almost every piece of discourse, making him and Tesla objectionable to many people for many reasons. The cost seems to be turning into less of an issue - the Model 3 was for a while the best priced EV here (Australia) but now there are several Chinese options that are more affordable for not much less on the feature side, and without any of the dumb stuff like no stalk for turn signals.
    - dzhiurgis 3y ago
      Yes we too have Chinese cars in NZ. They are pretty well built, albeit lame tech. The cheapness comes from the fact they are much smaller. Thats the market segment BYD is winning, they are not even competing with Tesla.
      - trog 3y ago
        Sounds good to me, the more smaller cars the better
  - Gud 3y ago
    Not really. Today there are many EVs to choose from.
    - dzhiurgis 3y ago
      Absolutely if you wanna spend extra 10k for lesser trim.
      - taylodl 3y ago
        It's not about trim - it's about a car that's a car, not a computer with wheels. Even the iPhone understood that it was first and foremost a phone. Apple had to create new human-machine interfaces for the iPhone because it was a new form factor demanding a new means of interaction. A Tesla does not. It's a car. We've spent 100 years refining and honing the interface. But of course they know better. They're smart, everybody else is stupid - and that is why I don't like Tesla.
        dzhiurgis 3y ago
        You're just regurgitating same mass media sewer. Tesla absolutely nailed the UX. Everyone else who is trying to copy it is failing just like Android used to copy Apple in early days. If you wanna buy something that's technically behind ~10 years, has less gear and costs more - all the best to you. Just don't be surprised by people make fun of you.
- seanmcdirmid 3y ago
  I didn't buy a Tesla but bought a BEV. And I really miss the charging network during long vacations. Tesla seems to be the only player that has figured that out. Oh, and the other tech stack stuff (like actually using UWB for unlocking the car via phone), but there are plenty of things not to like about it.

taylodl 3y ago

I'm in the same boat. Pretty sure I'm not buying a Tesla, but also pretty sure I'll still be buying a BEV.

dzhiurgis 3y ago
Write down what you get from each and at what cost. You'd have to have extremely strong opinions to buy anything else than Tesla.
- trog 3y ago
  Anyone who is remotely online is basically forced to have extremely strong opinions about Tesla because Elon can't help but put himself in almost every piece of discourse, making him and Tesla objectionable to many people for many reasons. The cost seems to be turning into less of an issue - the Model 3 was for a while the best priced EV here (Australia) but now there are several Chinese options that are more affordable for not much less on the feature side, and without any of the dumb stuff like no stalk for turn signals.
  - dzhiurgis 3y ago
    Yes we too have Chinese cars in NZ. They are pretty well built, albeit lame tech. The cheapness comes from the fact they are much smaller. Thats the market segment BYD is winning, they are not even competing with Tesla.
    - trog 3y ago
      Sounds good to me, the more smaller cars the better
- Gud 3y ago
  Not really. Today there are many EVs to choose from.
  - dzhiurgis 3y ago
    Absolutely if you wanna spend extra 10k for lesser trim.
    - taylodl 3y ago
      It's not about trim - it's about a car that's a car, not a computer with wheels. Even the iPhone understood that it was first and foremost a phone. Apple had to create new human-machine interfaces for the iPhone because it was a new form factor demanding a new means of interaction. A Tesla does not. It's a car. We've spent 100 years refining and honing the interface. But of course they know better. They're smart, everybody else is stupid - and that is why I don't like Tesla.
      - dzhiurgis 3y ago
        You're just regurgitating same mass media sewer. Tesla absolutely nailed the UX. Everyone else who is trying to copy it is failing just like Android used to copy Apple in early days. If you wanna buy something that's technically behind ~10 years, has less gear and costs more - all the best to you. Just don't be surprised by people make fun of you.
seanmcdirmid 3y ago
I didn't buy a Tesla but bought a BEV. And I really miss the charging network during long vacations. Tesla seems to be the only player that has figured that out. Oh, and the other tech stack stuff (like actually using UWB for unlocking the car via phone), but there are plenty of things not to like about it.