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The US is trying to starve China out of advanced semiconductors, not sure this will end well (For Taiwan).
by janmo 3y ago
The US is trying to starve China out of advanced semiconductors, not sure this will end well (For Taiwan).
- Aachen 3y agoOr anyone, including ourselves, if you look beyond the short term "they can't make fast chips for a few years". Even the elderly folk currently calling these shots will likely still be alive when the consequences materialise Or maybe I'm overlooking something, I'm no macroeconomic strategist, just someone who was taught in high school that we learned from previous walled economies
- rightbyte 3y agoYou are not missing anything. Things like these are mainly virtue signaling and the decision makers are indifferent to the consequences for us, is my take.
- RandomLensman 3y agoAre you saying it needs to be more like CoCom to matter?
- itsoktocry 3y ago>Things like these are mainly virtue signaling No military implications, huh? Just anti-China virtue signaling?
- rightbyte 3y agoYes. The military mainly use obsolete equipment when compared to civilian standards because reasons. There is no military angle to this at all other than maybe the hope of making diplomatic relations worse to bring one.
- itsoktocry 3y ago>Even the elderly folk currently calling these shots will likely still be alive when the consequences materialise What are the consequences you speak of? The entire point is "they can't make fast chips for a few years"; we are preparing for confrontation.
- RandomLensman 3y agoNot sure CoCom was a failure during the cold war.
- layer8 3y agoEven if things don’t “end well” for Taiwan, it’s unlikely that China will obtain Taiwan‘s manufacturing abilities. They will rather be destroyed, to ensure that China doesn’t get their hands on them, and then everyone will suffer the consequences.
- seanmcdirmid 3y agoTaiwan is subject to the same equipment dependencies as China. They don’t make the machines, they import them from the Americans, Dutch, and Germans. If China took over Taiwan, they might be able to obtain Salem great semiconductor engineers (but they could just hire them already on work visas), maybe some plans for the next 2 or 3 years on chips they can’t fab without western equipment, but that’s it. Economically, they would gain just land and any people that survive the invasion.
- pi-e-sigma 3y agoAs if the ASML machines were all that is needed for making cutting edge semiconductors. Why TSMC is in Taiwan and not in Denmark then?
- a_crc 3y ago|Why TSMC is in Taiwan and not in Denmark then? Because the Taiwanese government paid for it to be there in the 80's https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TSMC#History https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TSMC#History
- pi-e-sigma 3y agoWhoosh :)
- seanmcdirmid 3y agoI assume you are referring to yourself? It is well know that none of the semiconductor equipment manufacturing is not in Asia due to the PRC. So you get fabs, but not equipment to produce fabs or keep fabs running (all by design, so China doesn't gain much if they take over Korea, Japan, or Taiwan).