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A pencil can be used to recreate copyrighted works. Why should a LLM be different? Speed and scale make these completely unrelated in my opinion.
by ziddoap 3y ago
A pencil can be used to recreate copyrighted works. Why should a LLM be different?
Speed and scale make these completely unrelated in my opinion.
- cwillu 3y agoSpeed and scale also makes the printing press completely different than the pencil, but the principle that the user is responsible for the output remains practical.
- ziddoap 3y agoMy opinion is that people should just state that conclusion rather than make these silly comparisons.
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- exe34 3y agoNot everybody thinks in the same way. Some, maybe most people benefit from intuition pumps such as analogies. Good analogies clarify the point, poor ones obscure it.
- ziddoap 3y ago>Good analogies clarify the point, poor ones obscure it. I definitely agree with this, but I think a "good analogy" is really rare. In this case, I think that the analogy just obscures the main point about copyright. I think the original comment would have been stronger by omitting the analogy and just discussing where the legal responsibility falls. In almost every case an analogy is made, people discuss the validity of the analogy over the actual point of the comment (I'm guilty here too! my comment ended up being about the analogy rather than the main point).
- ben_w 3y agoThe printing press also indirectly triggered the Reformation, and through that the Thirty Years' War and the Eighty Years' War, and through all those together the invention of the concept of Westphalian sovereignty. And in the UK the "Licensing of the Press Act 1662" (full title "An Act for preventing the frequent Abuses in printing seditious treasonable and unlicensed Bookes and Pamphlets and for regulating of Printing and Printing Presses" so guess what they cared about here). While the ideals of freedom these brought may be desirable, we may want to avoid repeating the bloodshed from this particular bit of history. And that goes double for anyone in government who takes personal exception to being treated like French royalty.
- CamperBob2 3y agoYou will still eventually run into absurd contradictions whenever you blame a tool for the actions of its user. Subjective factors like "scale and speed" should have no place in the law, even though they often do. Never mind that every regulation that constrains AI development in the West is a giftwrapped blessing to China and other actors that DGAF about copyright law.
- Workaccount2 3y agoCripple the future so we don't have to leave the ways of the past...
- agilob 3y agoSo if I use 500 pages/minute scanner it will be fine?
- ziddoap 3y agoMy comment doesn't say what my opinion on the topic is, just that pencils and LLMs are hardly comparable due to difference in speed and scale.
- CamperBob2 3y agoCongratulations, by attaching qualitative legal importance to scale, speed, and size, you just successfully argued that the First Amendment doesn't apply on the Internet. You'll make friends on both sides of the political aisle with that position, but it's a shame to see it so readily accepted around here. (Can't reply due to HN's rate limiting algorithm that penalizes me after four or five posts while allowing the most-corrosive trolls imaginable to party all day, so I edited to clarify.)
- ziddoap 3y agoCongratulations, you just successfully argued that the First Amendment doesn't apply on the Internet. What?
- mmmpetrichor 3y agoHow though? You don't need an LLM to copy and paste a Disney character and post it on a million websites. An LLM returning an output isn't the same as publishing something. It's not being redistributed by virtue of just being output by the LLM.
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