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Now it’s time to convince you that “western” representative democracy is not the end-all and be-all of democratic systems. Democracy means the people have the

Now it’s time to convince you that “western” representative democracy is not the end-all and be-all of democratic systems. Democracy means the people have the power. The electoral and representative system most countries have in place in more or less the same way is a rough first stab at that.

malka 3y ago
> Democracy means the people have the power. That is the issue. My country is riddled by old person, who do not give a single fuck about the future beyond their own grave.
- cassianoleal 3y ago
  Please re-read the first sentence in the post you replied to.
Cthulhu_ 3y ago
It's a well known adage that democracy is the worst system of government, but the alternatives are worse. A lot of countries are moving towards autocracy at the moment, using democracy as a means to keep the people quiet - "you voted for this", "sorry your side lost but we live in a democracy and you should accept defeat gracefully", that kinda thing. The illusion of choice is very overt in countries like Russia (where the opposition is removed) and the US (where the choice is often based on populism or the lesser of two evils or the opposition to what is the current status quo). There's also the illusion of voting for a party that represents your interests; in my own country of NL we had voting last year, a lot of people were cynical because in previous elections, the chosen parties quickly compromised on their own party program because they wanted to be part of the coalition.
- cassianoleal 3y ago
  > It's a well known adage that democracy is the worst system of government, but the alternatives are worse. That doesn't make it true. In any case, I believe democracy is desired. I don't believe it's achieved in very meaningful ways with this model of representative democracy most countries implement.
trinsic2 3y ago
> Democracy means the people have the power. Are you really that naive? Democracy is majority(mob) rule, driven by the organizations or groups that know how to manipulate the mob (Public). The Majority doesn't represent the people, they're only the people that convinced themselves they are more right then the rest of the people and have risen into their own positions of power and feed off of their own delusions of grandeur.
- cassianoleal 3y ago
  Please re-read the first sentence in the post you replied to. Actually, re-read the whole thing.

malka 3y ago

> Democracy means the people have the power. That is the issue. My country is riddled by old person, who do not give a single fuck about the future beyond their own grave.

cassianoleal 3y ago
Please re-read the first sentence in the post you replied to.

Cthulhu_ 3y ago

It's a well known adage that democracy is the worst system of government, but the alternatives are worse. A lot of countries are moving towards autocracy at the moment, using democracy as a means to keep the people quiet - "you voted for this", "sorry your side lost but we live in a democracy and you should accept defeat gracefully", that kinda thing. The illusion of choice is very overt in countries like Russia (where the opposition is removed) and the US (where the choice is often based on populism or the lesser of two evils or the opposition to what is the current status quo). There's also the illusion of voting for a party that represents your interests; in my own country of NL we had voting last year, a lot of people were cynical because in previous elections, the chosen parties quickly compromised on their own party program because they wanted to be part of the coalition.

cassianoleal 3y ago
> It's a well known adage that democracy is the worst system of government, but the alternatives are worse. That doesn't make it true. In any case, I believe democracy is desired. I don't believe it's achieved in very meaningful ways with this model of representative democracy most countries implement.

trinsic2 3y ago

> Democracy means the people have the power. Are you really that naive? Democracy is majority(mob) rule, driven by the organizations or groups that know how to manipulate the mob (Public). The Majority doesn't represent the people, they're only the people that convinced themselves they are more right then the rest of the people and have risen into their own positions of power and feed off of their own delusions of grandeur.

cassianoleal 3y ago
Please re-read the first sentence in the post you replied to. Actually, re-read the whole thing.