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Passengers were using their phones during landing (including at least one that posted footage from inside the plane on social media), so...no? Incredibly, peop

Passengers were using their phones during landing (including at least one that posted footage from inside the plane on social media), so...no? Incredibly, people can walk and chew gum at the same time. This includes the ability to refocus their attention when they experience unusual events.

ceejayoz 3y ago
You're allowed to use phones during landing; they don't present much of a challenge for evacuation. You're not allowed to use laptops or have the tray down.
- jefftk 3y ago
  This thread was started with throw0101d saying "I think forcing people to not have any distractions during take-offs and landings is a good thing", and we've been discussing how to weigh the inconvenience and boredom of prohibiting distractions against the reduced risk of death via more efficient evacuations.
  - mrguyorama 3y ago
    The idea of putting down your phone for an hour in total being "too inconvenient" as people seemingly willingly sign over their dignity for a $10 cheaper flight ticket is.... uninspiring.
    - jefftk 3y ago
      It sounds like people vary a lot in their preferences? For example, I wouldn't take a $10 cheaper flight which prohibited using my phone, but I probably would take one that gave me a 1" narrower seat.
- filleduchaos 3y ago
  You're not allowed to use laptops or have the tray down because those are active physical hazards even in fairly routine landings not because of some nebulous idea of you being "distracted".
serf 3y ago
>Incredibly, people can walk and chew gum at the same time. This includes the ability to refocus their attention when they experience unusual events. No. They can't. That 'refocus' you mention is proof of that. it's getting old having to say over and over again that this isn't actually the case : humans switch contexts and lose focus -- you're not as good at multi-tasking as you think, nor is anyone. So , people can walk OR chew bubble gum , and if these choose to they can pay contextual switching costs between the two to make outside spectators believe that they can do two things at once. Don't fall for the ruse, there is a cost even if it's a small one. Similarly, in a disaster i'd rather be surrounded by fit young soldiers without cell-phones -- alert and aware -- than I would be surrounded by the typical multi-variant airliner crowd that must have their attention drug away from the device by the sound of crunching metal. It's obvious to me that a group of alert and ready people will outperform 'the other group' in an escape in nearly every metric, i'd hope that the same would be obvious to the other humans trying to escape fiery wreckage alongside me. [0]: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7075496/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7075496/ [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_multitasking https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_multitasking
- Dylan16807 3y ago
  You are not rebutting what people were actually talking about in this conversation.

ceejayoz 3y ago

You're allowed to use phones during landing; they don't present much of a challenge for evacuation. You're not allowed to use laptops or have the tray down.

jefftk 3y ago
This thread was started with throw0101d saying "I think forcing people to not have any distractions during take-offs and landings is a good thing", and we've been discussing how to weigh the inconvenience and boredom of prohibiting distractions against the reduced risk of death via more efficient evacuations.
- mrguyorama 3y ago
  The idea of putting down your phone for an hour in total being "too inconvenient" as people seemingly willingly sign over their dignity for a $10 cheaper flight ticket is.... uninspiring.
  - jefftk 3y ago
    It sounds like people vary a lot in their preferences? For example, I wouldn't take a $10 cheaper flight which prohibited using my phone, but I probably would take one that gave me a 1" narrower seat.
filleduchaos 3y ago
You're not allowed to use laptops or have the tray down because those are active physical hazards even in fairly routine landings not because of some nebulous idea of you being "distracted".

serf 3y ago

>Incredibly, people can walk and chew gum at the same time. This includes the ability to refocus their attention when they experience unusual events. No. They can't. That 'refocus' you mention is proof of that. it's getting old having to say over and over again that this isn't actually the case : humans switch contexts and lose focus -- you're not as good at multi-tasking as you think, nor is anyone. So , people can walk OR chew bubble gum , and if these choose to they can pay contextual switching costs between the two to make outside spectators believe that they can do two things at once. Don't fall for the ruse, there is a cost even if it's a small one. Similarly, in a disaster i'd rather be surrounded by fit young soldiers without cell-phones -- alert and aware -- than I would be surrounded by the typical multi-variant airliner crowd that must have their attention drug away from the device by the sound of crunching metal. It's obvious to me that a group of alert and ready people will outperform 'the other group' in an escape in nearly every metric, i'd hope that the same would be obvious to the other humans trying to escape fiery wreckage alongside me. [0]: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7075496/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7075496/ [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_multitasking https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_multitasking

Dylan16807 3y ago
You are not rebutting what people were actually talking about in this conversation.