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Really? More power to kids of ANY similar age having sex with each other?

xwolfi 3y ago
What are you trying to make him say? First, sex is not the only thing kids do earlier than 18: kissing and fondling, we did at various ages and it's I think normal and quite harmless. It s not like teenagers will wait for their 18th birthday at noon to start thinking about it. But that means nothing special: ofc consent is priority and I agree consent is hard to give in full awareness before 16 and assumed automatically after 18 (since that s the definition of majority: your decisions become your responsibility). I think we need to be a bit honest that between 16 and 18 there s a grey area where kids experiment and instead of saying they shouldnt and hide our head in the sand, we could maybe focus on guiding them towards safe practice just in case. I kissed my first girlfriend at 14, had my first blowjob at 17, and first penetration at 19: it's a slow progress to maturity and not once my age mattered to me, it was completely irrelevant and we just discovered it slowly all together. No one seemed to have been harmed. But I can def accept stricter enforcement before 16 just because it s really really hard to make sure they understand what they consent to.
- nonethewiser 3y ago
  Im justing wondering if he thinks sex is OK at any age if they are of similar age and practicing safely. That seems shocking yet that's what he's said so far but perhaps he can clarify.
  - xwolfi 3y ago
    Why ? I see an unhealthy obsession online with people "trying to see" if others are suggesting children should be molested. Doesnt matter what he thinks: what he said makes sense, teenagers, especially above 16, start maturing in a way that is sometimes incompatible with strict sharia-style law and they should be, if not left alone, at least guided gently.
ethbr1 3y ago
That's not what I said. Reread my above.
- nonethewiser 3y ago
  That's what this adds up to. > If they're doing it safely, more power to them. > With partners of similar ages? That's their business. Kids mature at different rates. So about what age does this not apply then? You need another rule otherwise it sounds like you see no problem with two 9 year olds having sex if they're using contraception. Please keep in mind I initially assumed you had some specific age range in mind (which surely wouldn't include 9 year olds). It was your response to that which makes it sound like there is no lower limit ("With partners of similar ages? That's their business. Kids mature at different rates. ."). Regardless, it sounds like we at least agree that there is some age at which kids are too young and should be abstinent.
  - ethbr1 3y ago
    If those 9 year olds are mature enough for sexual activity, that's their business. Biologically, there probably aren't many.
    - nonethewiser 3y ago
      Thank you for clarifying your position.

What are you trying to make him say? First, sex is not the only thing kids do earlier than 18: kissing and fondling, we did at various ages and it's I think normal and quite harmless. It s not like teenagers will wait for their 18th birthday at noon to start thinking about it. But that means nothing special: ofc consent is priority and I agree consent is hard to give in full awareness before 16 and assumed automatically after 18 (since that s the definition of majority: your decisions become your responsibility). I think we need to be a bit honest that between 16 and 18 there s a grey area where kids experiment and instead of saying they shouldnt and hide our head in the sand, we could maybe focus on guiding them towards safe practice just in case. I kissed my first girlfriend at 14, had my first blowjob at 17, and first penetration at 19: it's a slow progress to maturity and not once my age mattered to me, it was completely irrelevant and we just discovered it slowly all together. No one seemed to have been harmed. But I can def accept stricter enforcement before 16 just because it s really really hard to make sure they understand what they consent to.

nonethewiser 3y ago
Im justing wondering if he thinks sex is OK at any age if they are of similar age and practicing safely. That seems shocking yet that's what he's said so far but perhaps he can clarify.
- xwolfi 3y ago
  Why ? I see an unhealthy obsession online with people "trying to see" if others are suggesting children should be molested. Doesnt matter what he thinks: what he said makes sense, teenagers, especially above 16, start maturing in a way that is sometimes incompatible with strict sharia-style law and they should be, if not left alone, at least guided gently.

ethbr1 3y ago

That's not what I said. Reread my above.

nonethewiser 3y ago
That's what this adds up to. > If they're doing it safely, more power to them. > With partners of similar ages? That's their business. Kids mature at different rates. So about what age does this not apply then? You need another rule otherwise it sounds like you see no problem with two 9 year olds having sex if they're using contraception. Please keep in mind I initially assumed you had some specific age range in mind (which surely wouldn't include 9 year olds). It was your response to that which makes it sound like there is no lower limit ("With partners of similar ages? That's their business. Kids mature at different rates. ."). Regardless, it sounds like we at least agree that there is some age at which kids are too young and should be abstinent.
- ethbr1 3y ago
  If those 9 year olds are mature enough for sexual activity, that's their business. Biologically, there probably aren't many.
  - nonethewiser 3y ago
    Thank you for clarifying your position.