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What do the people posting the fakes, get out of it?

ravenstine 3y ago
Social validation. When you're narcissistic, legitimacy really doesn't matter so much as others believing you're amazing. And it works because it's hard to prove anything online. Maybe this means hobbyists will actually have to meet in person again. Or online crocheting communities need anti-AI AIs to detect and block impossible fakes.
- ericmay 3y ago
  I think you’re right. Generally speaking things go through cycles of centralization and decentralization. Generative AI is going to cause centralization of trust back to authorities and authoritative sources for now. It’s already occurring for the news and media, and it will occur for hobbyist communities as well. Perhaps with a public/private key “is human” verification we might see continued success for creators and content on the Internet, but I think that using AI to detect AI is likely to falter because it’s just easier to meet in person or use a key instead. It’s a matter of category difference.
- brucethemoose2 3y ago
  Yeah. Even sites that encourage "real identities" like Facebook are full of would-be liars seeking validation. ...But anti AI-AIs are not going to work. Even of they work technically (and I strongly suspect they will not), the keepers of the internet do not have a financial incentive to pay for it. Seems like the larger internet will be zombified, and users will go back to private online circles and meatspace focused interaction. Thats not so bad.
kiba 3y ago
Money. And maybe internet points. Unfortunately, there are a lot of people who don't have any pride in their work.
ceejayoz 3y ago
In the thread: > a lot of these photos lead to for-pay patterns that are also created by AI (or just stolen from actual artists) that won't even approximate what's in the photo (so scams)
gs17 3y ago
From the tweet: > a lot of these photos lead to for-pay patterns that are also created by AI (or just stolen from actual artists) that won't even approximate what's in the photo (so scams)
- DougBTX 3y ago
  The likes are probably not real then either.
reactordev 3y ago
Likes, praise, edification, dopamine hit for the reward center of the brain.
frostix 3y ago
The issue with generative AI techniques in general is how low the barrier to entry is. Various forms of information that used to be difficult or resource intensive to create have suddenly become approachable and even trivial in terms of resource investment to create. Overall, in any sort of cost/benefit analysis, the cost is just so low now the benefits don’t have to be much of anything, if anything at all. Entertainment factor alone, boredom, or perhaps a passing curiosity to try something are enough to create and present false or misleading information and push it out to the public, creating noise needed to filter through. There are plenty of other far stronger motives that make the problem even worse. Misinformation and disinformation were already becoming an increasingly large societal issue IMHO. That is only going to get worse with wide access to generative AI. We already have a high degree of erosion in social trust where we pretty much have to consider motives and driving forces behind every transactional relationship we have these days and we could at least use costs to help sort that mess out: why would someone bother investing the resources to do this? Does it cost a lot to present me with false information and if so, is there enough potential motive behind that to make this information more likely to be false or misleading? The answer to this is increasingly yes. It’s now far more difficult to start from a position of distrust and move to a point of trust or likelihood of trust and I think we’re going to see that even more in all sorts of aspects of daily life. I now have to assume most pieces of information out there are targeting me and attempting to manipulate me in some way (more than before). I fear we’re moving to a model of free speech that will put more weight on “authoritative” sources more so than in recent past in many cases considering liabilities authorities have when presenting false, misleading, or inaccurate information. Liabilities that in many cases aren’t real liabilities just perceived liabilities, granting authoritative information sources far more credit than is due.
croes 3y ago
What's the point of cheating in an online game or posting fake pictures on Instagram?

Social validation. When you're narcissistic, legitimacy really doesn't matter so much as others believing you're amazing. And it works because it's hard to prove anything online. Maybe this means hobbyists will actually have to meet in person again. Or online crocheting communities need anti-AI AIs to detect and block impossible fakes.

ericmay 3y ago
I think you’re right. Generally speaking things go through cycles of centralization and decentralization. Generative AI is going to cause centralization of trust back to authorities and authoritative sources for now. It’s already occurring for the news and media, and it will occur for hobbyist communities as well. Perhaps with a public/private key “is human” verification we might see continued success for creators and content on the Internet, but I think that using AI to detect AI is likely to falter because it’s just easier to meet in person or use a key instead. It’s a matter of category difference.
brucethemoose2 3y ago
Yeah. Even sites that encourage "real identities" like Facebook are full of would-be liars seeking validation. ...But anti AI-AIs are not going to work. Even of they work technically (and I strongly suspect they will not), the keepers of the internet do not have a financial incentive to pay for it. Seems like the larger internet will be zombified, and users will go back to private online circles and meatspace focused interaction. Thats not so bad.

kiba 3y ago

Money. And maybe internet points. Unfortunately, there are a lot of people who don't have any pride in their work.

ceejayoz 3y ago

In the thread: > a lot of these photos lead to for-pay patterns that are also created by AI (or just stolen from actual artists) that won't even approximate what's in the photo (so scams)

gs17 3y ago

From the tweet: > a lot of these photos lead to for-pay patterns that are also created by AI (or just stolen from actual artists) that won't even approximate what's in the photo (so scams)

DougBTX 3y ago
The likes are probably not real then either.

reactordev 3y ago

Likes, praise, edification, dopamine hit for the reward center of the brain.

frostix 3y ago

The issue with generative AI techniques in general is how low the barrier to entry is. Various forms of information that used to be difficult or resource intensive to create have suddenly become approachable and even trivial in terms of resource investment to create. Overall, in any sort of cost/benefit analysis, the cost is just so low now the benefits don’t have to be much of anything, if anything at all. Entertainment factor alone, boredom, or perhaps a passing curiosity to try something are enough to create and present false or misleading information and push it out to the public, creating noise needed to filter through. There are plenty of other far stronger motives that make the problem even worse. Misinformation and disinformation were already becoming an increasingly large societal issue IMHO. That is only going to get worse with wide access to generative AI. We already have a high degree of erosion in social trust where we pretty much have to consider motives and driving forces behind every transactional relationship we have these days and we could at least use costs to help sort that mess out: why would someone bother investing the resources to do this? Does it cost a lot to present me with false information and if so, is there enough potential motive behind that to make this information more likely to be false or misleading? The answer to this is increasingly yes. It’s now far more difficult to start from a position of distrust and move to a point of trust or likelihood of trust and I think we’re going to see that even more in all sorts of aspects of daily life. I now have to assume most pieces of information out there are targeting me and attempting to manipulate me in some way (more than before). I fear we’re moving to a model of free speech that will put more weight on “authoritative” sources more so than in recent past in many cases considering liabilities authorities have when presenting false, misleading, or inaccurate information. Liabilities that in many cases aren’t real liabilities just perceived liabilities, granting authoritative information sources far more credit than is due.

croes 3y ago

What's the point of cheating in an online game or posting fake pictures on Instagram?