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Generative AI flooding online crocheting spaces with unrealistic amigurumi pics
- notamy 3y agohttps://nitter.net/LauraRbnsn/status/1741494511849578753 https://nitter.net/LauraRbnsn/status/1741494511849578753
- 8organicbits 3y agoOT: Are there any alternate HN front-end that fix this? I don't want to create an account to see the thread. I know there are browser extensions, but for security reasons I only enable ones that are vetted by Mozilla. I think HN used to have a "web" link for paywall bypass, but I don't see it here.
- danielbln 3y agoOP posted a nitter link, which already does everything you want, no?
- 8organicbits 3y agoNot quite the same. You'd need to open the comments, scroll to find it as it's usually not the top comment or missing. Often Twitter links appear in comments too, not just the submission link.
- brucethemoose2 3y agoThere are extensions that will "nitterize" twitter links among others, but TBH the one I have been using is now unmaintained and I need to find another one.
- justsomehnguy 3y agoYou would be accessing Twitter posts through a 3rd-party service, which would see everything you would see. Because, you know, it can't be any other way? So your insistence on 'privacy' yet 'only vetted by Mozilla' is misguided at best.
- 8organicbits 3y agoI think you misunderstand. I'm not concerned about the privacy angle, I just don't want to create a Twitter account. Twitter no longer shows threads if you're not signed in. Re. Mozilla vetted extensions, I cited security, but would love to learn something new about privacy if you'd like to share more.
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- therobotking 3y agoPlease don't stink up HN comments with your fetish trash comments. This is one of the last places online where the comment section is still free from lazy puns, repeated jokes, one-word replies and sleaze.
- questinthrow 3y agoAre we using the same website?
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- politelemon 3y agoWhat do the people posting the fakes, get out of it?
- ravenstine 3y agoSocial validation. When you're narcissistic, legitimacy really doesn't matter so much as others believing you're amazing. And it works because it's hard to prove anything online. Maybe this means hobbyists will actually have to meet in person again. Or online crocheting communities need anti-AI AIs to detect and block impossible fakes.
- ericmay 3y agoI think you’re right. Generally speaking things go through cycles of centralization and decentralization. Generative AI is going to cause centralization of trust back to authorities and authoritative sources for now. It’s already occurring for the news and media, and it will occur for hobbyist communities as well. Perhaps with a public/private key “is human” verification we might see continued success for creators and content on the Internet, but I think that using AI to detect AI is likely to falter because it’s just easier to meet in person or use a key instead. It’s a matter of category difference.
- brucethemoose2 3y agoYeah. Even sites that encourage "real identities" like Facebook are full of would-be liars seeking validation. ...But anti AI-AIs are not going to work. Even of they work technically (and I strongly suspect they will not), the keepers of the internet do not have a financial incentive to pay for it. Seems like the larger internet will be zombified, and users will go back to private online circles and meatspace focused interaction. Thats not so bad.
- kiba 3y agoMoney. And maybe internet points. Unfortunately, there are a lot of people who don't have any pride in their work.
- ceejayoz 3y ago
- dkjaudyeqooe 3y agoFor people who don't understand what generative AI is and think it's real, the future is going to be strange and hallucinogenic.
- mgerullis 3y agoWith increasingly better AI, not even techies will be able to tell apart what’s real and what isn’t by just looking at it. You’re probably in for the ride.
- songbird23 3y agoi know of generative AI but dont know crocheting. I could not tell whether that image she posted was realistically doable by hand or AI
- rblatz 3y agoLook at the face, does it look like a photo with a yarn texture applied, or does it look made of yarn?
- bee_rider 3y agoThe only thing that gives it away for me is that I can’t imagine how the lips would be done, and I’m not 100% sure it is impossible (I don’t know anything about crocheting).
- phatskat 3y agoThere’s a lot of other giveaways - the hair on the left and middle doll would just be loose yarn or thread, there’s no stitching, and getting them to that kind of detail and consistency would be a nightmare. The noses all lack any stitch definition but simultaneously seem to blend into the face fabric. The sleeve on the left one is layered in a way that would be near-impossible imo in a crochet context. There’s a ton of gauge changes (the yarn size getting smaller/larger) which, while not impossible, would be very very difficult especially at the size it appears to be. The tiny hands would be painstaking at best. Then there’s some felting for the white “V” on the left dress and embroidery for the details on the dresses and crown. If anyone could actually make those to match the image it would be hundreds of hours and never look nearly that perfect.
- skepticATX 3y agoI think that tech companies will soon have to grapple with the fact that the majority of people currently have, or will have, predominantly negative opinions of generative AI. We too often get lost in our tech bubble. Of course generative AI is useful for us. We also understand the nuances of the technology, so we can be more deliberative in its use. This is decidedly not what is happening with the typical person. To put it bluntly, for all of the fanfare last year, how has generative AI had a positive impact on the average person? And how has it had a negative impact? I think that I can make a stronger case for negative impact (or no impact) than I can for positive impact, as it currently stands. This is not inherent to generative AI; I can think of other technologies that followed a similar trajectory. But the difference is that generative AI leaders literally think that they are about to create a techno-utopia, and they may be sorely disappointed when others don't feel the same way.
- Swizec 3y ago> how has generative AI had a positive impact on the average person? Generative AI, for the most part, is a technology in search of a problem. For now. The tech is in a “demos well, productizes poorly” stage. Once you try doing anything at scale and with proper evals of success, you see that real world performance is pretty poor still. Yes yes we have lots of totally-not-cherry-picked papers where researchers achieved something fantastic. Then you look at the detail and it’s either “we ran this once because expensive” or “it achieved this great result almost 35% of the time so it’s state-of-the-art best-in-class” > create a techno-utopia, and they may be sorely disappointed when others don't feel the same way Every techno-utopia I’ve ever seen in movies, books, etc has always been a secretly dystopia. Looks nice and polished on the surface, but achieves this result through aggressive oppression and disenfranchisement of dissenting voices. Star Trek perhaps is the only one that didn’t follow that pattern. And even then you have groups outside the federation who are not super happy with how the federation does things.
- phillipcarter 3y agoJust to offer a counter-point, we had measurable success with this tech solving a direct problem it's designed to solve for: https://www.honeycomb.io/blog/we-shipped-ai-product https://www.honeycomb.io/blog/we-shipped-ai-product My take is that the tech isn't in search of a problem, we're just early. It solves a lot of problems. The challenge is getting the right data pipelines in place to allow it to do that. The good news is that in many cases, it's a good thing to have that in the first place.
- Baldbvrhunter 3y agorelax, it's temporary "I crochet for clicks" vs "I crochet for enjoyment" has swung back to the latter. So now hobbyists will have to build RL reptuation again, just like they did a few years ago. The pattern scam sucks but, once again, reputation building will be important. Hobbies will need to gatekeep. Post reels of work-in-progress etc. The genie will not go back in the bottle - adapt or die I guess, sympathies for the dead.
- ltbarcly3 3y agoAgree, online spaces will adapt, and honestly how great was a community to begin with if as the only thing keeping it from becoming a hotbed of fake content is that the users didn't have the tools to fake it. I'm sure very few people would agree when I say that nothing of value has been lost, but honestly I think this is more about people's illusions about the online communities they engage in becoming harder to maintain than those communities becoming worse somehow. I get the impression that people feel like their online spaces are being invaded by phonys using AI all of a sudden. If your community is so full of fakers and liars that it is dominated by fake content immediately when it becomes possible to generate that fake content, and that content isn't recognized by a critical mass of the existing users and laughed off the platform, you have been interacting with a lot of fakers and liars all along. That sucks, and maybe it was better psychologically to have that social outlet even if you only could only leverage it as a social outlet because you were being deceived, but there it is.
- croes 3y agoHow do adapt? Everything can be faked.
- Baldbvrhunter 3y agoYou can't fake doing crochet with me at the crochet club, can you?
- croes 3y ago
- ImAnAmateur 3y ago> There was this poor lady on a board who crocheted this damn homunculus when it was supposed to be this elaborate picture and she just got totally scammed! Waste of material and time and money! I would love to see this. Both the instructions and the outcome. I have no clue what it would-- could!-- look like.
- genman 3y agoWhat happened with the tradition to add 1/N to tweets to indicate multi-post thread?
- 14 3y agoDefinitely a problem but will open up value to other contributors as well. Someone willing to make time lapse videos of their entire project or someone who creates a site where contributors are verified by different means like sending work to verified assessors who can say this is real will be allowed to sell verified patterns at a good price.
- chrischen 3y agoFound this gem yesterday while trying to research “k3s vs k0s” on Google: https://www.nops.io/blog/k0s-vs-k3s-vs-k8s/#:~:text=While%20both%20k3s%20and%20k0s,for%20monitoring%20and%20managing%20workloads https://www.nops.io/blog/k0s-vs-k3s-vs-k8s/#:~:text=While%20.... Unsurprisingly it is on the blog of an AI company. The article contradicts itself multiple times, restating who is the developer of each of k0s, k3s, and k8s. Even if you are unfamiliar with these things a human being reading it can easily see it’s false information from the contradictions alone, which just goes to show this “nops.io” is just publishing AI blog spam without even having a final human proof read. And the worst is that Google’s automatic algorithms are consuming it and thinking it is good content, making it the featured snippet.
- dustincoates 3y agoIt could be AI, but content farm garbage has been around for a long time. I remember seeing one that was on how calculate total addressable market, and the whole post was "find out the total market, and determine what percentage you can address." It was back in 2018 or so, so someone had to put in the effort to write it.
- drubio 3y agoOnly now its more scalable to do content farm garbage with AI, it's cheaper SEO on steroids. I'm optimistic it will one day be possible to sift through AI generated garbage, but it will take time just like it did with email/spam. And the most likely outcome will be through paid services, either paid content or paid filtering, just like email works best to this day. I remember the early email days, early 2000's, pretty much anyone could setup their own email server (qmail/sendmail), there wasn't much spam to worry about and it required a lot of effort to make spam cost effective. Fast-forward today, even though you can still setup one, it requires a crazy amount of effort to ensure delivery in-and-out due to spam abuse, that, or pretty much paying a transactional fee, which is the easiest, so large providers don't flag email as spam.
- justsomehnguy 3y agoBut they have an audio version of the article!
- zoklet-enjoyer 3y agoI've been seeing this and fake furniture/rooms on Facebook ever since Midjourney got semi-realistic looking. It happens so often I got tired of calling it out. Some older people think it's real, but for the most part I think people know it's not real.
- bakugo 3y agoThis is the inevitable fate of the entire internet if generative AI isn't banned.
- Nevermark 3y ago> a lot of these photos lead to for-pay patterns that are also created by AI (or just stolen from actual artists) that won't even approximate what's in the photo (so scams) We need software tools where anyone can design their own ambitious but reliable designs. But add to that machines that can create instances of those designs and I can see human crafting getting completely devalued. We expected AI Spock. We got Robo Leonardo da Vinci.
- harryf 3y agoTo prove we’re human, we need to behave in vulgar ways that generative AI is prevented from. https://youtube.com/shorts/uWgEofct9Rw?si=nE4lDqVYKa1a7XhR https://youtube.com/shorts/uWgEofct9Rw?si=nE4lDqVYKa1a7XhR In this case it would be crocheting a swear word on your design.
- MintsJohn 3y agoI'm more and more thinking a government issued digital identity (like https://privacybydesign.foundation/irma-en/ https://privacybydesign.foundation/irma-en/) that can be used to proof you're human (and other details of you want) but that can't be tracked back to an individual, but again optionally, can be used to create (multiple) online persona's is the way forward. I used to think of these things as dystopian, but fake content by fake persons is a bigger issue. Of course real persons could create persona's for such a bot, but a (personal and/or community based) blacklist mechanism based on the root account (the real human that created the persona) would go a long way.
- emsign 3y agoYes! I've noticed some decay in content quality at different places recently. Search results have become especially bad, there's so many content farms with AI generated nonsense now. And what's funny is that helpers like Bing Chat are searching the internet to give answers. There's an upside though, this makes me use the internet and my smartphone less and less. And I'm sticking to very specific sources now. Time for me to stock up on some HDDs to create a personal archive of data that hasn't been touched by AI yet...
- yetanother12345 3y agoAmigurumi (Japanese: 編みぐるみ, lit. "crocheted or knitted stuffed toy") is the Japanese art of knitting or crocheting small, stuffed yarn creatures. Had to look that up https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amigurumi https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amigurumi
- CrzyLngPwd 3y agoIt's going to get far worse yet, and there isn't anything that can be done about it. Hopefully, when we are sick of this fluff, it will encourage people to step away from their devices and to experience the real world more.