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> needed They need to leave Gaza alone and not blockade. At. All. How’s that boot taste?

snird 3y ago
What blockade? They have a border with Egypt. Why won't Egypt let them leave? There was never a blockade because Israel never surrounded Gaza.
- viraptor 3y ago
  The border to Egypt refuses any cargo. All goods have to be brought in through Israel. There two issues there - that doesn't make the effective blockade from Israel's side a non-issue.
  - snird 3y ago
    So if Egypt refuses - why should Israel supply an enemy that mass murdered entire families and babies and mass raped teenage girls? https://www.wsj.com/world/middle-east/israel-hamas-oct-7-murder-sexual-violence-torture-45aab439?mod=hp_lead_pos7 https://www.wsj.com/world/middle-east/israel-hamas-oct-7-mur...
    - viraptor 3y ago
      Why are you equating Palestinian population to Hamas? And omitting that not supplying the population is effectively equivalent to killing a portion of it? The situation is not as simple as you're trying to reduce it to.
- imtringued 3y ago
  It is pretty obvious that if given the option, Israel would drive every last Palestinian out of the Gaza strip just to be sure that Hamas can't send rockets ever again. Once Palestinians have left, they will never be allowed to go back. You end up with millions of stateless people. Also you pulled the last sentence out of your ass, talking as if Israel doesn't border the Gaza strip, because the city itself technically has no border with Israel.
- johnnyworker 3y ago
  > They have a border with Egypt. Why won't Egypt let them leave? "Leave" as in "ethnically cleanse themselves, never to return"? So what's all this song and dance about pretending to not be on board with genocide about? > There was never a blockade because Israel never surrounded Gaza. Ahuh. https://www.timesofisrael.com/israel-counted-calorie-requirements-of-gazans-during-land-blockade-to-avoid-crisis/ https://www.timesofisrael.com/israel-counted-calorie-require... > Israel maintained the blockade was necessary to weaken Hamas, an armed, Iranian-backed group committed to Israel’s destruction. > But critics say the blockade constituted collective punishment against Gaza’s more than 1.5 million people in its ultimately failed effort to shake Hamas’ hold on the territory. An American diplomatic cable revealed by WikiLeaks last year quoted Israeli diplomats as saying they wanted to “keep Gaza’s economy on the brink of collapse.” [..] > Similar to the calculation of the calorie needs, Israel also used baffling secret guidelines to differentiate between humanitarian necessities and nonessential luxuries. The result was that military bureaucrats enforcing the blockade allowed frozen salmon and low-fat yogurt into the Hamas-ruled territory, but not cilantro or instant coffee. There never was a blockade. There is no genocide. Just keep handwaving and it will all go away.
  - badpun 3y ago
    > "Leave" as in "ethnically cleanse themselves, never to return"? So what's all this song and dance about pretending to not be on board with genocide about? Ethic cleansing is about mass relocating people, while genocide is about mass murdering them. They are two different phenomena.
    - johnnyworker 3y ago
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide > acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group When they all live in refugees in other countries, they are destroyed as a national group. With this level of hair splitting you might as well say it's not genocide as long as even one member of the group survives, why not go there, too.
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- flandish 3y ago
  Nice. Why SHOULD they leave? It’s their land. Have you tried not supporting genocide, you bigot.
- keefle 3y ago
  Just a reminder that Gaza faces the Mediterranean Sea too, but Israel does not allow any ship to go there. It doesn't allow them to create a port. Israel is effectively controlling what gets in and out of Gaza. Israel does surround Gaza, and for the part it doesn't "surround it" (Egypt), it has agreements with the Egyptian government on what goes in and out.
nvm0n2 3y ago
Gaza and Israel are at war, because Gaza attacked Israel. In wars, countries don't normally allow aid in to the state you are fighting. The fact that Israel allow anything in at all shows the extent to which they are fighting with kid gloves. In any other place or any other period of history all goods heading into Gaza would be seized, and the entire territory would be put under siege until they either surrendered completely, or died of starvation/thirst. After all, Hamas need to eat. If nothing gets into Gaza then Hamas must stop fighting.
- flandish 3y ago
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What blockade? They have a border with Egypt. Why won't Egypt let them leave? There was never a blockade because Israel never surrounded Gaza.

viraptor 3y ago
The border to Egypt refuses any cargo. All goods have to be brought in through Israel. There two issues there - that doesn't make the effective blockade from Israel's side a non-issue.
- snird 3y ago
  So if Egypt refuses - why should Israel supply an enemy that mass murdered entire families and babies and mass raped teenage girls? https://www.wsj.com/world/middle-east/israel-hamas-oct-7-murder-sexual-violence-torture-45aab439?mod=hp_lead_pos7 https://www.wsj.com/world/middle-east/israel-hamas-oct-7-mur...
  - viraptor 3y ago
    Why are you equating Palestinian population to Hamas? And omitting that not supplying the population is effectively equivalent to killing a portion of it? The situation is not as simple as you're trying to reduce it to.
imtringued 3y ago
It is pretty obvious that if given the option, Israel would drive every last Palestinian out of the Gaza strip just to be sure that Hamas can't send rockets ever again. Once Palestinians have left, they will never be allowed to go back. You end up with millions of stateless people. Also you pulled the last sentence out of your ass, talking as if Israel doesn't border the Gaza strip, because the city itself technically has no border with Israel.
johnnyworker 3y ago
> They have a border with Egypt. Why won't Egypt let them leave? "Leave" as in "ethnically cleanse themselves, never to return"? So what's all this song and dance about pretending to not be on board with genocide about? > There was never a blockade because Israel never surrounded Gaza. Ahuh. https://www.timesofisrael.com/israel-counted-calorie-requirements-of-gazans-during-land-blockade-to-avoid-crisis/ https://www.timesofisrael.com/israel-counted-calorie-require... > Israel maintained the blockade was necessary to weaken Hamas, an armed, Iranian-backed group committed to Israel’s destruction. > But critics say the blockade constituted collective punishment against Gaza’s more than 1.5 million people in its ultimately failed effort to shake Hamas’ hold on the territory. An American diplomatic cable revealed by WikiLeaks last year quoted Israeli diplomats as saying they wanted to “keep Gaza’s economy on the brink of collapse.” [..] > Similar to the calculation of the calorie needs, Israel also used baffling secret guidelines to differentiate between humanitarian necessities and nonessential luxuries. The result was that military bureaucrats enforcing the blockade allowed frozen salmon and low-fat yogurt into the Hamas-ruled territory, but not cilantro or instant coffee. There never was a blockade. There is no genocide. Just keep handwaving and it will all go away.
- badpun 3y ago
  > "Leave" as in "ethnically cleanse themselves, never to return"? So what's all this song and dance about pretending to not be on board with genocide about? Ethic cleansing is about mass relocating people, while genocide is about mass murdering them. They are two different phenomena.
  - johnnyworker 3y ago
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide > acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group When they all live in refugees in other countries, they are destroyed as a national group. With this level of hair splitting you might as well say it's not genocide as long as even one member of the group survives, why not go there, too.
    - 3y ago
flandish 3y ago
Nice. Why SHOULD they leave? It’s their land. Have you tried not supporting genocide, you bigot.
keefle 3y ago
Just a reminder that Gaza faces the Mediterranean Sea too, but Israel does not allow any ship to go there. It doesn't allow them to create a port. Israel is effectively controlling what gets in and out of Gaza. Israel does surround Gaza, and for the part it doesn't "surround it" (Egypt), it has agreements with the Egyptian government on what goes in and out.

nvm0n2 3y ago

Gaza and Israel are at war, because Gaza attacked Israel. In wars, countries don't normally allow aid in to the state you are fighting. The fact that Israel allow anything in at all shows the extent to which they are fighting with kid gloves. In any other place or any other period of history all goods heading into Gaza would be seized, and the entire territory would be put under siege until they either surrendered completely, or died of starvation/thirst. After all, Hamas need to eat. If nothing gets into Gaza then Hamas must stop fighting.

flandish 3y ago
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