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Sure, if you want to breed even more generations of computer illiterates. We should be encouraging people to learn about the computers they use so they can do a

Sure, if you want to breed even more generations of computer illiterates. We should be encouraging people to learn about the computers they use so they can do actually useful stuff with it later in their life. Not just "hey here's an app, now go make me more money by looking at ads"

matwood 3y ago
Someone using their phone or tablet with a keyboard to get things done is far from computer illiterate. For the majority of the population computers are a tool. Knowing deeply how they work is about as important as knowing deeply how their car works.
- beeboobaa 3y ago
  If all they ever have access to is phones then their world consists solely of software they have been allowed to install by their platform overlords. Even if they had the urge to try and create something themselves, they would be forbidden from doing so. Just keep consuming those ads and don't think about it.
  - anonymousab 3y ago
    > their world consists solely of software they have been allowed to install by their platform overlords The same will be true of most cars within a generation, and is effectively true for most car owners now; they do not really know how to do much with their car beyond drive it, use the infotainment as-is and bring it in for repair when anything seems off.
    - beeboobaa 3y ago
      Yes, everything is being fucked by the drive for profit.
- nottorp 3y ago
  > Someone using their phone or tablet with a keyboard to get things done ... if you don't get a lot of things done. The main quality of a laptop is the keyboard is solidly attached to the screen. That means you can use it anywhere and you don't need to dedicate a desk like space for the keyboard. With an iPad you need a stand, space for the keyboard and then you're close to the space taken by a monitor with peripherals and a desktop under the desk. Might as well get a desktop then since it's more powerful. It may be useful for tasks that only need a keyboard 1% of the time though.
- RunSet 3y ago
  > Someone using their phone or tablet with a keyboard to get things done is far from computer illiterate. Full literacy involves writing, not just reading. At one point the same held for computer literacy. I would not call someone "literate" if they could only read words they already recognized from viewing forms and their writing ability was limited to filling out those forms using a limited but appropriate vocabulary. I would likewise not consider someone computer literate if they were limited to using software written by others. For more eloquent words in this vein: https://citejournal.org/volume-2/issue-3-02/seminal-articles/should-the-computer-teach-the-student-or-vice-versa/ https://citejournal.org/volume-2/issue-3-02/seminal-articles...
lotsofpulp 3y ago
Does this apply to cars/appliances/medical equipment/any other tools? I don’t see anything wrong with people excelling at some tasks, such as CAD/medicine/construction/editing media/law/etc, and not excelling at understanding all the details about how their tools work.
- beeboobaa 3y ago
  Yes. Cars are turning into pieces of shit that need a subscription because techbros made them too complicated for an average person to understand. Appliances, same story. Techbros are turning goddamn printers into a subscription service.
  - lotsofpulp 3y ago
    I guess I will have to disagree. My cars have been lasting longer and longer, and the cost per mile keeps going down. My appliances have also been working fine for 5+ years. LG inverter motor is dead silent in my fridge, and I get the benefits of having a French door fridge on top and freezer drawer on the bottom. Same for all the other appliances I have too. I don’t expect them to last 20 years, but as long as I get 5 to 10, I’m ok with it considering the price I paid. My brother printers have been working fine for many years, and at least as of 2021, the MFC printers did not need a subscription. Maybe things have changed and I haven’t needed to buy anything in the last couple years.
    - beeboobaa 3y ago
      > Maybe things have changed and I haven’t needed to buy anything in the last couple years. It has. Good luck finding a new printer that doesn't (figuratively) spit in your face repeatedly.
      - lotsofpulp 3y ago
        I have this one and it works great. No subscription needed or any funny business. https://www.brother-usa.com/products/mfcl2710dw https://www.brother-usa.com/products/mfcl2710dw

matwood 3y ago

Someone using their phone or tablet with a keyboard to get things done is far from computer illiterate. For the majority of the population computers are a tool. Knowing deeply how they work is about as important as knowing deeply how their car works.

beeboobaa 3y ago
If all they ever have access to is phones then their world consists solely of software they have been allowed to install by their platform overlords. Even if they had the urge to try and create something themselves, they would be forbidden from doing so. Just keep consuming those ads and don't think about it.
- anonymousab 3y ago
  > their world consists solely of software they have been allowed to install by their platform overlords The same will be true of most cars within a generation, and is effectively true for most car owners now; they do not really know how to do much with their car beyond drive it, use the infotainment as-is and bring it in for repair when anything seems off.
  - beeboobaa 3y ago
    Yes, everything is being fucked by the drive for profit.
nottorp 3y ago
> Someone using their phone or tablet with a keyboard to get things done ... if you don't get a lot of things done. The main quality of a laptop is the keyboard is solidly attached to the screen. That means you can use it anywhere and you don't need to dedicate a desk like space for the keyboard. With an iPad you need a stand, space for the keyboard and then you're close to the space taken by a monitor with peripherals and a desktop under the desk. Might as well get a desktop then since it's more powerful. It may be useful for tasks that only need a keyboard 1% of the time though.
RunSet 3y ago
> Someone using their phone or tablet with a keyboard to get things done is far from computer illiterate. Full literacy involves writing, not just reading. At one point the same held for computer literacy. I would not call someone "literate" if they could only read words they already recognized from viewing forms and their writing ability was limited to filling out those forms using a limited but appropriate vocabulary. I would likewise not consider someone computer literate if they were limited to using software written by others. For more eloquent words in this vein: https://citejournal.org/volume-2/issue-3-02/seminal-articles/should-the-computer-teach-the-student-or-vice-versa/ https://citejournal.org/volume-2/issue-3-02/seminal-articles...

lotsofpulp 3y ago

Does this apply to cars/appliances/medical equipment/any other tools? I don’t see anything wrong with people excelling at some tasks, such as CAD/medicine/construction/editing media/law/etc, and not excelling at understanding all the details about how their tools work.

beeboobaa 3y ago
Yes. Cars are turning into pieces of shit that need a subscription because techbros made them too complicated for an average person to understand. Appliances, same story. Techbros are turning goddamn printers into a subscription service.
- lotsofpulp 3y ago
  I guess I will have to disagree. My cars have been lasting longer and longer, and the cost per mile keeps going down. My appliances have also been working fine for 5+ years. LG inverter motor is dead silent in my fridge, and I get the benefits of having a French door fridge on top and freezer drawer on the bottom. Same for all the other appliances I have too. I don’t expect them to last 20 years, but as long as I get 5 to 10, I’m ok with it considering the price I paid. My brother printers have been working fine for many years, and at least as of 2021, the MFC printers did not need a subscription. Maybe things have changed and I haven’t needed to buy anything in the last couple years.
  - beeboobaa 3y ago
    > Maybe things have changed and I haven’t needed to buy anything in the last couple years. It has. Good luck finding a new printer that doesn't (figuratively) spit in your face repeatedly.
    - lotsofpulp 3y ago
      I have this one and it works great. No subscription needed or any funny business. https://www.brother-usa.com/products/mfcl2710dw https://www.brother-usa.com/products/mfcl2710dw