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i think the topic of salt is misunderstood. ancient people didnt eat as much and they worked more and harder and also didnt have access to air conditioning. swe
by jdjdjdkdksmdnd 3y ago
i think the topic of salt is misunderstood. ancient people didnt eat as much and they worked more and harder and also didnt have access to air conditioning. sweating more would deplete electrolytes and entering into dietary ketosis frequently would lead to a major decline of electrolytes. i think ancient people needed salt because they would get sick without it. but eveyone says its because they liked the taste
- qwytw 3y ago> ketosis frequently Considering their diets, which were very high in carbohydrates (not sugars though) compared to modern diets that seems highly unlikely. Can you actually ever enter "ketosis" if you're mainly eating bread and other grain products? > i think ancient people needed salt because they would get sick without it. but eveyone says its because they liked the taste They needed salt because there weren't that many other ways to preserve food. I doubt this has much to do with taste. Also modern people need salt too.. > ancient people didnt eat as much That's debatable. According to our records medieval people did sometimes eat quite a lot. I guess the problem is that it varied a lot. You either had too much or to little food all of the time.
- jdjdjdkdksmdnd 3y agoancient rome and medieval europe are really different. you can enter ketosis every day on a diet of carbohydrates by eating one or two times a day, eating less or engaging in exercise would make that ketosis deeper and longer. all of this could have applied to most people until relatively recently.
- Wytwwww 3y ago> ancient rome and medieval europe are really different Why? Of course Northern European had different diets (e.g. lard instead of olive oil etc.) but on the Mediterranean cost diets weren't that similar. > you can enter ketosis every day on a diet of carbohydrates by eating one or two times a day So being on the brink of starvation all the time? Does not seem sustainable. > all of this could have applied to most people until relatively recently Highly unlikely. What makes you think that was the case?
- jdjdjdkdksmdnd 3y agono dude, its called intermittent fasting. it used to just the way people ate.
- qwebfdzsh 3y agoYou know that how exactly?
- jdjdjdkdksmdnd 3y agobecause they were much less fat than us, had almost none of the diseases we have that are all really metabolic dysfunction/diabetes at their root, and the general price and availability of food has only been getting better…
- qwebfdzsh 3y agoWhat does that have to do with ketosis? You can eat a lot of carbs and not be fat... > had almost none of the diseases we have that are all really metabolic dysfunction/diabetes at their root True. Unless you were rich. Even heard of gout? But yeah probably somewhat accurate for the whole population. But again, not much to do with ketosis. I mean is there any evidence even today that someone whose diet is primarily (~80%) grain and other plant products with a lot of carbohydrates can enter ketosis even when practicing "intermittent fasting" while consuming ~2000-3000 calories per day (e.g. the estimate for standard Roman soldier daily rations is 3,000-4,000)? Seems impossible...
- jdjdjdkdksmdnd 3y agoi guess you missed the memo but people do it every day including me. i own a ketone meter.
- qwytw 3y agoYou mainly eat a grain based diet. Consume 2000+ calories and manage to "enter" ketosis? That's extremely remarkable...
- mastazi 3y agoI always thought it was important mostly for food preservation.
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- Wytwwww 3y agoYes it was. That hypothesis about ketosis is very wacky and not backed by any evidence. Premodern diets were very high in carbohydrates compared to modern ones....
- jdjdjdkdksmdnd 3y agodude are you kidding me. most premodern diets were mostly meat. then neolithic
- SethMurphy 3y agopremodern: broadly defined as between the late medieval period and the mid-nineteenth century.
- qwytw 3y agoAnd you have to go back 4000 - 7000 years to get to a time when "diets were mostly meat" in Europe and the Middle East.
- HarHarVeryFunny 3y agoThere was also a very practical use/need for salt as a food preservative, specifically for storing meat over the winter. Certainly this was the case in the middle ages in Britain, but maybe not in the more southernly parts of the roman empire with warmer climates where food production may have been more year-round.
- HarHarVeryFunny 3y ago> ancient people didnt eat as much Not sure what you mean by that - at a time when people were largely self-sufficient and working the land, they obviously consumed enough calories for the work they were doing. The food may not have been great (a lot of bread!), but there would generally have been enough of it unless having to tough out the winter after a poor harvest.