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I was raised by my lawyer dad to believe this, but over time I've refined my beliefs and think it's generally wrong. If you're actually speeding or breaking so

I was raised by my lawyer dad to believe this, but over time I've refined my beliefs and think it's generally wrong. If you're actually speeding or breaking some other traffic law and a cop pulls you over, you're likely going to get a ticket no matter what you say. The important question when determining how to handle it, then, is whether you are going to take the time and effort to fight the ticket. If you're busy, have plenty of money, or just generally are inclined to pay the speeding ticket and move on with your life, then refusing to answer the cop is probably suboptimal. Your justification for not confessing is that if you do so, you "have no further defense for the speeding ticket." If you're going to fight the ticket, you're right and I agree with you. If you're not going to fight it, this has no value whatsoever. If you're not going to fight it, then you shouldn't be optimizing for maintaining the best possible legal defense; rather, you should be optimizing for not getting the ticket in the first place. I believe that for most minor traffic offenses, you're better off confessing (and throwing in a relatable reason if you can pull it off). Going with the lawyerly response is, in my view, more likely to get you a ticket than going with, "I think you pulled me over because I was speeding, and I want to apologize for that. I just left a first date with a girl who I have a feeling is going to be my future wife and got too excited. It was irresponsible and I should know better." Cops are people too - taking responsibility and making yourself relatable just might get you out of the ticket.

travoc 3y ago
Imagine getting pulled over for a malfunctioning tail light but then admitting to speeding for no good reason.
- fasthands9 3y ago
  I believe with the person you are responding to. Admitting you were going slightly over the speed limit won't really hurt you. They don't need a confession to cite you for speeding. They already know if you were or not. I've probably been pulled over 8 times in my life and only gotten two tickets. Who knows - this could have to do with my race or my demeanor - but in general I just try to act as honestly and apologetically as possible. I think most police officers are not trying to be jackasses, and the ones that are will ticket you whether or not you "fess up" or not anyway. (This probably doesn't hold if you are carrying drugs or going 25mph over, but otherwise I don't think it helps to treat these interactions so adversarially)
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- whutsurnaym 3y ago
  The only times I've been asked "Do you know why I pulled you over?" was when I had a tail light out. I figured the reason they asked was to see if I was already aware of the problem. In one case, I was literally on my way to buy a new headlight, and they accepted that as an answer and sent me on my way.
  - 000ooo000 3y ago
    >I figured the reason they asked was to see if I was already aware of the problem Interesting that they use such an underhanded phrasing, if their intentions are only good. Why not "do you know that your tail light is out?"
- idopmstuff 3y ago
  You're directionally correct - it's important not to admit to something that the officer doesn't already know - but your example is not a good one, since the cop is going to know you're speeding in this case. You certainly shouldn't admit to having a bunch of drugs, though.
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pengaru 3y ago
You should probably stop assuming the possible outcomes are ticket vs. no ticket. There's far more on the menu and cops vary wildly in competence and intention. I prefer the be respectful and say little more than necessary to excuse yourself route, all while keeping hands visible and making no sudden movements. There's little to be gained by participating in a voluntary interview and prolonging the interaction, with a whole lot to be potentially lost, including your life.
- idopmstuff 3y ago
  I understand that there's differences in possible outcomes depending on who you are and how you look (and for context I am a clean cut white guy who generally drives in safe areas). Still, I don't really accept as valid that being cooperative and acknowledging that you committed a traffic infraction is more likely to get you killed than being politely uncooperative.
- JohnFen 3y ago
  Exactly this. When I'm interacting with a cop, I have two goals: to avoid "poking the bear", and to end the encounter as quickly as possible. This means being scrupulously polite and responsive while avoiding saying one word more than is required.
  - g-b-r 3y ago
    That says it all about police in the US
andrewinardeer 3y ago
So, manipulation.
cameldrv 3y ago
I agree with your philosophy, but I don't think you necessarily need to directly admit to it. When they ask how fast you were going, you can say something like "To be honest, officer, I'm not sure -- I was a little distracted and wasn't paying enough attention to my speed." A couple of times in a couple of decades of driving this has gotten me sent on my way with a warning.

travoc 3y ago

Imagine getting pulled over for a malfunctioning tail light but then admitting to speeding for no good reason.

fasthands9 3y ago
I believe with the person you are responding to. Admitting you were going slightly over the speed limit won't really hurt you. They don't need a confession to cite you for speeding. They already know if you were or not. I've probably been pulled over 8 times in my life and only gotten two tickets. Who knows - this could have to do with my race or my demeanor - but in general I just try to act as honestly and apologetically as possible. I think most police officers are not trying to be jackasses, and the ones that are will ticket you whether or not you "fess up" or not anyway. (This probably doesn't hold if you are carrying drugs or going 25mph over, but otherwise I don't think it helps to treat these interactions so adversarially)
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whutsurnaym 3y ago
The only times I've been asked "Do you know why I pulled you over?" was when I had a tail light out. I figured the reason they asked was to see if I was already aware of the problem. In one case, I was literally on my way to buy a new headlight, and they accepted that as an answer and sent me on my way.
- 000ooo000 3y ago
  >I figured the reason they asked was to see if I was already aware of the problem Interesting that they use such an underhanded phrasing, if their intentions are only good. Why not "do you know that your tail light is out?"
idopmstuff 3y ago
You're directionally correct - it's important not to admit to something that the officer doesn't already know - but your example is not a good one, since the cop is going to know you're speeding in this case. You certainly shouldn't admit to having a bunch of drugs, though.

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pengaru 3y ago

You should probably stop assuming the possible outcomes are ticket vs. no ticket. There's far more on the menu and cops vary wildly in competence and intention. I prefer the be respectful and say little more than necessary to excuse yourself route, all while keeping hands visible and making no sudden movements. There's little to be gained by participating in a voluntary interview and prolonging the interaction, with a whole lot to be potentially lost, including your life.

idopmstuff 3y ago
I understand that there's differences in possible outcomes depending on who you are and how you look (and for context I am a clean cut white guy who generally drives in safe areas). Still, I don't really accept as valid that being cooperative and acknowledging that you committed a traffic infraction is more likely to get you killed than being politely uncooperative.
JohnFen 3y ago
Exactly this. When I'm interacting with a cop, I have two goals: to avoid "poking the bear", and to end the encounter as quickly as possible. This means being scrupulously polite and responsive while avoiding saying one word more than is required.
- g-b-r 3y ago
  That says it all about police in the US

andrewinardeer 3y ago

So, manipulation.

cameldrv 3y ago

I agree with your philosophy, but I don't think you necessarily need to directly admit to it. When they ask how fast you were going, you can say something like "To be honest, officer, I'm not sure -- I was a little distracted and wasn't paying enough attention to my speed." A couple of times in a couple of decades of driving this has gotten me sent on my way with a warning.