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I think it's great that Kagi works better for you. it's good to have options, but I also used it for a long while from late 2021. I encourage people to use it

I think it's great that Kagi works better for you. it's good to have options, but I also used it for a long while from late 2021. I encourage people to use it and form their own opinion. personally I think most people who like Kagi just don't like having ads, and for them I'd tell them to just use Google and uBlock Origin to remove ads and various elements they dislike and save their 10 bucks a month and apply it to Youtube Premium, whose ads are more annoying to avoid.

al_borland 3y ago
It's true I don't like ads. I want to support business models that aren't ad driven. If Kagi, or others, can show web services can exist without being full of ads, tracking, and other privacy nightmares, I think that is good for the industry and gives us a fighting chance at seeing more services adopt those models. I've been very unhappy seeing nearly every company on the internet think the only possible business model is to collect data and sell ads. I pay for YouTube Premium as well for the same reason. While I'm sure they still track the hell out of me, because it's Google, I still want to support a business model that isn't based on ads. I just cancelled my Amazon Prime membership after probably 15 years when I got the email about them charging an extra monthly charge (on top of the Prime membership cost) to keep Prime Videos ad free next year. I don't want a company to nickel and dime me when I'm already a paying customer. I only watch Amazon Prime a couple times per year (it's not great to begin with), so it wasn't worth paying monthly to be ad free, but they lost me as a Prime member over it, and I'm sure my overall order volume at Amazon will drop accordingly. I try to vote with my wallet where I can. Using services from a company with a business model I don't agree with, while using an ad-blocker, doesn't cast the same vote, and instead signs me up to be part of a cat and mouse game.
frizlab 3y ago
Personally I don’t like ad and have ad blockers and still find Kagi results being better.
yesco 3y ago
For me it has nothing to do with the ads since I just use just unblock anyway. The main reason I switched to kagi was: - SEO Spam has reached intolerable levels in Google search results for me and I can't stop them with ublock. Each and every time I'm tricked into clicking these is a waste of my time. - Even when the domain isn't outright spam, it's rare I get the highest quality domain at the top of my Google search results anymore. For example if I'm searching for something webdev related then MDN should be the obvious first choice yet I still get W3C schools at the top of my results with mediocre quality. I tried using extensions to block domains from my Google results but they usually result in the page loading weirdly and it feels like a crappy workaround. Not to mention, what if I want W3C when there is no results from MDN? Ultimately what I really want is to adjust the rank/weight of the domain to be lower than MDN rather than outright blocking it. This is something that Kagi actually allows me to do. - Kagi's interface is actually designed to help me improve my search results. I can pin a domain, subtly change it's ranking or just block it entirely. It actually feels like I'm the user and not the product, which is a refreshing experience. I'd much rather spend money on this than give $14/month to Google to watch YouTube of all things. YouTube's primary revenue stream is from advertising so even if I give YouTube money, new features are still going to be optimized for improved ad revenue over user experience. - Even without tweaking, the results from Kagi are simply better than Google now, no contest. (but maybe not as good as Google was in 2014 before it started to degrade, a sad thought)

al_borland 3y ago

It's true I don't like ads. I want to support business models that aren't ad driven. If Kagi, or others, can show web services can exist without being full of ads, tracking, and other privacy nightmares, I think that is good for the industry and gives us a fighting chance at seeing more services adopt those models. I've been very unhappy seeing nearly every company on the internet think the only possible business model is to collect data and sell ads. I pay for YouTube Premium as well for the same reason. While I'm sure they still track the hell out of me, because it's Google, I still want to support a business model that isn't based on ads. I just cancelled my Amazon Prime membership after probably 15 years when I got the email about them charging an extra monthly charge (on top of the Prime membership cost) to keep Prime Videos ad free next year. I don't want a company to nickel and dime me when I'm already a paying customer. I only watch Amazon Prime a couple times per year (it's not great to begin with), so it wasn't worth paying monthly to be ad free, but they lost me as a Prime member over it, and I'm sure my overall order volume at Amazon will drop accordingly. I try to vote with my wallet where I can. Using services from a company with a business model I don't agree with, while using an ad-blocker, doesn't cast the same vote, and instead signs me up to be part of a cat and mouse game.

frizlab 3y ago

Personally I don’t like ad and have ad blockers and still find Kagi results being better.

yesco 3y ago

For me it has nothing to do with the ads since I just use just unblock anyway. The main reason I switched to kagi was: - SEO Spam has reached intolerable levels in Google search results for me and I can't stop them with ublock. Each and every time I'm tricked into clicking these is a waste of my time. - Even when the domain isn't outright spam, it's rare I get the highest quality domain at the top of my Google search results anymore. For example if I'm searching for something webdev related then MDN should be the obvious first choice yet I still get W3C schools at the top of my results with mediocre quality. I tried using extensions to block domains from my Google results but they usually result in the page loading weirdly and it feels like a crappy workaround. Not to mention, what if I want W3C when there is no results from MDN? Ultimately what I really want is to adjust the rank/weight of the domain to be lower than MDN rather than outright blocking it. This is something that Kagi actually allows me to do. - Kagi's interface is actually designed to help me improve my search results. I can pin a domain, subtly change it's ranking or just block it entirely. It actually feels like I'm the user and not the product, which is a refreshing experience. I'd much rather spend money on this than give $14/month to Google to watch YouTube of all things. YouTube's primary revenue stream is from advertising so even if I give YouTube money, new features are still going to be optimized for improved ad revenue over user experience. - Even without tweaking, the results from Kagi are simply better than Google now, no contest. (but maybe not as good as Google was in 2014 before it started to degrade, a sad thought)