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Are we having an Apple vs Nokia moment in the car industry, powered by the shift to EV? In Europe it feels a bit that way.

resolutebat 3y ago
At least European car makers are trying to stay in the race, but the Japanese appear to have just given up. Toyota is still spruiking hydrogen and others like Mazda don't even have plans to start building EVs.
- mytailorisrich 3y ago
  The thing is that batteries are a big issue to produce cleanly and then to recycle. Hydrogen would be great and at the moment it is developing where batteries are not convenient.
FirmwareBurner 3y ago
I have a feeling we're gonna loose the EV race same how we lost the software race and then the mobile race. Our auto industry could be the next Nokia. Sure, I'm confident the lobbied EU leaders will put speedbumps in place for the Chinese Auto makers in the EU market, but that will do more harm than good as the local brands won't be under enough pressure to innovate, knowing the governments have their back regardless.
- akira2501 3y ago
  > we lost the software race and then the mobile race Was the EU ever really in the race to begin with? They really wanted to be, but you can't actually centrally plan a working software or hardware economy. > EU leaders will put speedbumps in place That's the only tool they understand how to use. It's sad that this makes them feel they have to constantly use it. > knowing the governments have their back regardless. Yea.. you almost get the feeling these policies are _designed_ to create monopolies and have nothing at all to do with fostering competition.
ororoo 3y ago
I would love to see Chinese violate patents and get away with it like apple did.
- seanmcdirmid 3y ago
  In China that's just another Tuesday. I'm not sure why you don't think you are seeing it. Now, if they export such a product to Europe or the USA, that's another story.

resolutebat 3y ago

At least European car makers are trying to stay in the race, but the Japanese appear to have just given up. Toyota is still spruiking hydrogen and others like Mazda don't even have plans to start building EVs.

mytailorisrich 3y ago
The thing is that batteries are a big issue to produce cleanly and then to recycle. Hydrogen would be great and at the moment it is developing where batteries are not convenient.

FirmwareBurner 3y ago

I have a feeling we're gonna loose the EV race same how we lost the software race and then the mobile race. Our auto industry could be the next Nokia. Sure, I'm confident the lobbied EU leaders will put speedbumps in place for the Chinese Auto makers in the EU market, but that will do more harm than good as the local brands won't be under enough pressure to innovate, knowing the governments have their back regardless.

akira2501 3y ago
> we lost the software race and then the mobile race Was the EU ever really in the race to begin with? They really wanted to be, but you can't actually centrally plan a working software or hardware economy. > EU leaders will put speedbumps in place That's the only tool they understand how to use. It's sad that this makes them feel they have to constantly use it. > knowing the governments have their back regardless. Yea.. you almost get the feeling these policies are _designed_ to create monopolies and have nothing at all to do with fostering competition.

ororoo 3y ago

I would love to see Chinese violate patents and get away with it like apple did.

seanmcdirmid 3y ago
In China that's just another Tuesday. I'm not sure why you don't think you are seeing it. Now, if they export such a product to Europe or the USA, that's another story.